Kell-Chat
An
Ongoing International Conversation
between Callaway and Kellaway and Kelway family researchers
discussing family origin, history and genealogy research in England
2006
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Primary Participants -
| Warwick Kellaway | Hamilton, New Zealand | jwk at slingshot.co.nz |
| Bruce Callaway | Sydney, New South Wales | bruce at callaway.com.au |
| Bill Callaway | British Columbia | callawaybill at shaw.ca |
| Sherrill Williams | Unicoi, Tennessee | sherrilluwilliams at prodigy.net |
| Pat Schnurr | Maitland, Florida | schnurr200 at aol.com |
| Cary Moore | Birmingham, Alabama | c.moore2 at juno.com |
| Bill Piper | Kent, U.K. | bill at dreycott.screaming.net |
| Brian Willoughby | Gloucestershire, U.K. | bhk.willoughby at btopenworld.com |
| Pat & David Scott | Swindon, Wiltshire, England | kellaway at kellread.plus.com |
| David Kelway | Royston, Hwerts, U.K. | chanticleer at breathemail.net |
| Lesley Haigh | UK | les.haigh at btinternet.com |
| Norma Kellaway | Australia | normakell at iprimus.com.au |
| Don Kellaway | Canada | quinte at kos.net |
| Sylvia Warham | UK | sylvia at pattilandfarm.com |
| Paul Doye | UK | pauldoye at btinternet.com |
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jan 13, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Hello Friends,
I know that some of you may be away from home, especially the "down-unders,"
But, I have bumped into a piece of strange information that provides a new
"twist" about which I need your comments. I am working on the story of Sherborne
Abbey/All Hallows, the Fire,
and the new Almshouse, using a number of references we picked up in England. One
reference, "Med. Sherborne" by Fowler, is quite good, but he referred frequently
to "A Historic Guide to the Almshouse of St John Baptist and St John the
Evangelist - Sherborne" by Charles Herbert Mayo. I felt a strong need to see
this booklet, but it is a long and expensive trip to England. I did the next
best thing, and "googled" up a copy for sale in a second-hand bookstore in
Dorchester, ordered it and sat back for the "long wait." The booklet was in my
mailbox in less than a week!
Mayo went into more detail of the documents regarding the Almshouse. He noted
that the parishioners (town's people of Sherborne) were asked to contribute to a
fund for building the almshouse, and quotes from the Account of Richard Rochell,
1437/8, which had a list of the subscribers to the new Almshouse "which is
practically a directory of the inhabitants of Sherborne at that time." The
contributors were listed according to the street or the area where they lived. I
will give you the additional names of interest a bit later.
GRENE [street?]:
John Kaylewaye xx s.
Henry Clerke xx d.
Robert Kayll (Cnyll) xx d.
Thomas Kayll xx d.
John Clerk, junr. xij d.
RICHARD CAYLEWAYE (KAYLEWAYE) xij d.
John Dawe xij d.
and 32 others of current non-interest.
I will add that William Kaylewaye, who has been the subject of a lot of our
earlier discussion, was not on this list of contributors. He contributed
services (for which he was reimbursed according to the accounts). But, who is
RICHARD, and how would he fit into this family? C. H. Mayo also wrote the "Abbey
Church Official Guide." Now I feel compelled to track down a copy of that which
is said to have "documentary treasures."
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jan 14, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Hello Sherrill
I have now had a closer look at what you have uncovered at Sherborne.
Richard, it appears, is another brother/cousin, who until now has been
unrecorded. There must be more, and they would, if we could place them, go some
way to explaining the "missing generation", and other unresolved parentage, such
as Nicholas of Forston/Charminster, who seems to hold a strong position with
later descendants - we only have him because of his 1594 will. (If Richard was a
younger brother of John, any descendants 100 years later could be 4 generations
removed.)
I do note that, in Grene Street, or in the 30-40 houses around the Village
Green, John made the major contribution of 20 shillings - the others 20 pence -
or those including Richard, only 12 pence. Richard was, by comparison, a lesser
person in the village. We note also that there were two Kaylls, and two Clerks.
The Kaylls appear again over 100 years later, so presumably had been much
earlier family "breakaways", or no relations at all. (Could they, by merging
names later, explain some of the differing DNA in Dorset?) If there were Clerks
there then, that name would also appear to be older than supposed. Being
presumably more common as an occupational derivative, the later Clarke alias
family might have been the same, or could have occurred later independently. (I
had suspected one of our C/Ks had been a "clerk".)
As to why William is not there is unclear. He might at that time have had a
junior position in John's household, or more likely was living elsewhere. (John
de Kayleways was still patron of St Giles at the Wiltshire family manor until
1429.) Or possibly William was living at the Chenstone family manor at Chawleigh
Devon. Edmund had earlier left the Wiltshire manor around 1391-99 for Chenstone,
possibly after a dispute with Margaret de Courtenay, and was patron of Cheldon
Rectory. The dispute had included Thomas, presumably Edmund's son and noted
later for his marriage to Joanne Bingham, and who was patron of the church at
Sutton Bingham, just south of Yeovil, between about 1410-22. My information,
from IPMs, was that there were three Johns, probably grandfather, father and
son, born about 1375, 1410 and 1448. The eldest perhaps a younger son of Edmund,
and Thomas's brother. John seems to have inherited the family property, possibly
because Thomas left no family, but the third John also apparently had no
descendants. John was patron of Cheldon in 1440, and about that time began
involvement with William over property. Although the bearer of a common family
name, John may actually have been living at Ardyngton Berkshire in 1441.
William's father was recorded in his will as John, so he could have been the
younger brother of the second John, whom we know was living in Sherborne around
1436-8 (when he helped burn the Abbey - was the Almshouse part of his penance?).
If the third John died young, William would, by 1469, have been the senior
member of the family. He had married Joanna Barrett some 30 years before, and
could add the Bingham inheritance to the property he acquired by marriage
(possibly after his death?). By the mid-1500s, the Heraldic Pedigrees were vague
about William, gave his descendants, but never suggested his parentage. If he
had been a younger son, and his son and grandson were those who achieved the
importance, and knighthoods, that could be part of the reason. (He might not
have held sufficient appropriate property when he died to warrant an IPM.)
How's that?
Warwick
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jan 15, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
But, Warwick, William Kaylway was living at Sherborne in 1437/38. Recall, he
was busy riding his horse (with his servant)to visit Humphrey Stafford and
Margaret Gough - having to do with the charter for the almshouse. He was
compensated for his expenses in the
almshouse accounts of Richard Rochelle. I thought perhaps he was exempted from
the solicitation of funds because of his contribution of "services." "Grene"
[street] is located approx. 500 yds. NE of the entrance to the Abbey (which is
off Chepe street. The Cammels were also involved here. One Cammel was a trustee
of the almshouse, as was one named "Cammle als Grene."
I have been working on John Baret, trying to establish his age. I cannot find
reference to a will for him, but he seems to be contemporary with William
Kaylway (1469). That is why it seems odd to me that William K.(1469) would have
married the "granddaughter" of said John Baret. I cannot find a will for John
Baret, or a good visitation pedigree. If anyone has such a pedigree, please
share it. What was the name of the wife of John Baret? We do not know how many
times our William (1469) was married, but I am now totally convinced that one
wife was Joan, the widow of Roger Ledred. Her surname is not known. In his will,
William (1469) bequeathed an item ["silver cup"?] that had belonged to Joan,
mother of his wife Joan. So, which wife of William Kaylway had a mother also
named Joan?
Oh well, this is a good story, even if the pieces of the puzzle are difficult to
fit together. Maybe someday!
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jan 15, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Well done Sherrill
Your evidence has gone much deeper than my old information.
I wonder how large Sherborne was in 1436, and whether Grene "Street" might have
been just about all of it. The Abbey would have attracted villagers for trade
and business, so there must have been more. Was William perhaps living elsewhere
in the town - did others not contribute? The sudden importance of an Almshouse
also makes me think there was a connection with the fire, and maybe William was
not involved - John was. As you say however, perhaps his services were included
in other ways.
Regarding the Barretts, we would be lucky to find a will - an IPM perhaps. I
have John Barrett owning the later family properties at Bapton and Tisbury in
1413. Joan Barrett's father was Henry, but there is a good possibility that she
had an uncle John, perhaps the eldest son. The bland reference to 1413 might
suggest the grandfather died about then. We cannot be sure, but my calculations
had always indicated that William had been born around 1400-10, and married Joan
perhaps about 1430-5. He could have been contemporary with her uncle.
I know you distrust the Pedigrees, but they have been a good starting point, and
give William and Joan's family as Thomas, Moris, and John. His second wife as a
Stantner of Hornysham (no first name), and that by her he had three sons,
William, Peter and a second Thomas. My guess would still be about 1440. Moris
and Peter have disappeared from the files, but William became Sir William in
1501, while the Thomases continued the family name confusion, and apparent
missing generation. (The Thomas we have reasonably well recorded was born in
1470, creating a 30 year break - the 1546 Robert of Lillington and William of
Stalbridge referred to by Lesley were the sons of Thomas.)
It is possible that William's second wife was named Joan - a very popular use.
And she could possibly have been the wife of Roger Ledred.
The puzzle is fitting together. I know it is very much clearer than when I
began. And even little bits continue to clarify our concerns. If only they had
BDMs in 1400!
Warwick
From: Bill Piper
Sent: Jan 16, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
I asked Martin King, who lives down
that way, and his reply was:
There is a street in Sherborne called "Greenhill", and one of the school houses
is called "The Green". Before the school took it over it used to be an old
coaching inn, I believe, and is positioned at the top of the town where there
might, in days past, have been a 'green'. If there ever was one it has long
since gone.
Bill
From: Sherrill
Williams
Sent: Jan 17, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
I read on in Canon Mayo's little
booklet and discovered that our William K. of Sherborne, involved with the
Almshouse, had a wife named ISABEL. Details shortly. How about that?
Sherrill
From: Sherrill
Williams
Sent: Jan 17, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Hi All,
Canon Mayo translated the Deed to the Almshouse, apparently in its entirety. It
was more than a deed because it included the rules by which the "inmates" were
to live. Their religious practices were detailed at great length. And, they were
required to pray for the souls of the Founders and the 20 Brothers ["directors"]
and their families, and so that everyone got to be prayed for, many names were
mentioned. Mayo translated this document into Old Style English, but for the
convenience of typing I may modernize it a bit. Follows is the section on the
"praying for" -
Allso that every of the saide sixtyne pore..men and wymmen and every of their
successors for evermore shall dayly by there power hear one messe and in the
worship of god of the seyntes of seynt John Baptist and seynt John Evangelist
and for the sane estate of the said King Herry the sixt and for the sane estate
of me the said Bysshop my mooder brethers sisters ancestors kynne and successors
and for the good and sane estate of me the said Humfray [Stafford] and childryn
and of John my brother nowe by the grace of god Bysshop of Bathe and Chaunceller
of Yngelond and of al myne auncestors and kynne and of me the said Margarete [Gough]and
of all my kynne and of us the said John Fauntleroy and John Baret of oure wyfes
childryn and kyne and of William Kayleway of Shirbourne afore saide and for the
good estate of the said twenty brethers and of their successors of their wyfes
childryn and kyne and for the goode estate of all those that geveth byquethe
speketh or doeth or hath geve byquethe spoken or do eny goode to the saide house
whyles we all and thay shal leve yn this present worle and for the saide Kyng
his soule and for all his progenytours and for myne the saide Bysshop of
Salesbury my moder brethers sisters auncestors kynne and successours soules and
for myne the saide Humfray childryn and brother and kynne his soules and for
myne the said Margarete and all my kynne his soules and for oures the said John
Fauntleroy and John Baret and all oure wifes childryn brethers and kynne soules.
And for the saide William Kaylway and al his kynne is soules the whiche William
hath be most special laborer to gete the saide letters patentes of oure soverayn
lorde the Kyng and also of makying of this present fundacion and for the twenty
saide brethers and their successors wyfs childryn and kynne is soules and for
all the saide good doers soules to the saide house when they and we shall passe
oute of this present worlde. And for the soules of Elizabeth sum tyme the wife
of Humfray [Stafford] some tyme the fader and Alice sum tyme the moder of the
said Humfray Stafford and for the soules of the husond fader and moder that sum
tym was the saide Margarete Gogh is and for the soules of John Campedene sum
tyme vicar of the said towne of Shirbourne also for the soules of Richard Fyton
Henry Panter Symond Chamberleyn Thomas Peytevyn Elizabeth Climyng (or Clunyng)
Nicol Rake and of their wyfes husbond childryn brethers and kynne and for the
soule of ISABELLE that sum tyme was the wyfe of the saide William Kayleway and
for all Christen soules........[and goes on to name some other saints they
should put in a good word for]. [This deed was dated the "tenthe day of the
monthe of Januarye in the yere of the regnyng of the saide Kyng Herry the sixte
after the conquest the sixtynthe." Those witnessing were Bysshop of Salesbury
Humfray Stafford Margarete Gogh John Fauntleroy and John Baret, plus William
Bradeford Abbot of Shirbourne John Chidioke knyght Thomas Beauchamp knyght
Thomas Stowell knyght William Stafford squyer William Carent squyer William
Brownyng squyer Richard Strode squyer John Hody Thomas Knoyell Thomas Gilden
[Gulden?] William Leweston and other.
So, now we must look for an ISABELLE in the families associated with this
Kayleway family. I was amazed that I was reading through all that "stuff" - and
astonished when I read the name of William K's "sum tyme wyfe." We also need to
figure out if "sum tyme" meant that Isabelle was deceased. I may be able to
figure that out from Humphry Stafford's "sum tyme wyfe" - she was Elizabeth
Maltrauvers, and I believe her dates are on the Stafford pedigree. So have fun
with this.
Sherrill
From: Warwick
Kellaway
Sent: Jan 17, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Intriguing Sherrill.
Have we found Isabel Stantner, or another? Could our original information have
been wrong - how accurate was Canon Mayo? Presumably
he had access to the original documents we seek.
We await the next episode.
Warwick
From: Sherrill
Williams
Sent: Jan 17, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Warwick, I think Canon Mayo was very
accurate. He is considered the authority on these matters. I have actually
looked at many of the documents. Notice I said "looked." They are all in Latin
in the OS handwriting. Fowler in "Med. Sherborne" quoted him often, but his
quotes were often out of context. Having the Mayo translations is invaluable.
Sherrill
From: Brian Kelway
Willoughby
Sent: Jan 18, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Hi Friends,
As it happens, when I had a chance some time ago to study the worthy Canon
Mayo's 1926 paper on
the Sherborne Almshouse I made a number of notes.
As these already exist in in keyed form I am attaching a copy of my fhrlog
Journal of 18 thro 20 July 2000, just in case they might be useful to somebody
(with apologies for their scrappy nature).
I have had a look in my records for Isabel(le) - and sure enough the wife/widow
of William Kayleway has a contemporary namesake - in Isabel Calowe of
Worcestershire who in 1462 appears to have been both the wife of John Calowe and
the widow of Henry Calowe (Ref Selden Society Vol 114 p112). Perhaps she was
doing a Catherine of Aragon?!
All the best,
Brian
Extract from Journal of B H K Willoughby (fhrlog13.wps)
Tue 18/07/00 Pro-forma PC from Chelt Lib - A Historic Guide to Almshouse ...... Sherborne by C H Mayo has arrived (requested on 10/05/00) - collected. No index but a number of references/quotes about John Keylewey and William Keyleway (and a few to John Kaylle - clearly a different person)
The "Old Almshouse" was set up by a Latin deed dated Thursday in the Feast of St Andrew the Apostle, 7 Hen V (1419). This records the dedication to the Almshouse of (the rents of ) a messuage and meadow called Subtrow with appurtenances in Beere Haket Dorset, etc, etc. The 24 or so feoffees include John Keylewey (p4).
The New (Present) Almshouse received its Charter on 10th Jan 16 Hen VI (1437-8) (p3). The list of subscribers (some 146, by street) ... "practically a directory of the inhabitants of Sherborne at that time" includes.
Under "Grene: John Kaylewaye xx s." (£1, p13).
Under "Newlond: Richard Caylewaye xij d. " (£0.05, p14).
The largest payments were one of c s. (£5, by John Barett), one of xl s. (£2, by Henry Mulling), and eighteen of xx s. (£1, incl John Kaylewaye). The subscriptions raised totalled £41 13s 10d. (An average of v s. vij d. across the 146 contributors.)
The Accompts for year ending Michaelmas 16 Hen VI (1437-8) list the income from various rents (Total £5 7s 8d). Payments include miscellaneous expenses viz paid to John Keylewey for expenses of the same House this year £1 (p11).
Disbursements for the year 1438-9 include (p17):
"... the expenses of three men and horses riding to Raymsbury
(chief manor of the Bishop of Sarum) for obtaining the foundation of the same house ... ... ... vij s. v d.
And in two horses hired for William Keyleway and his servant, riding to Hoke, near Beaminster, and thence to Margaret Goof (Goff, Gough) ... ... ... xij d.
And in expenses of the same at that time ... vi d.
And in money (denarijs) paid to the same William for his labour at that time ... ... ... ... vj s. viij d.
The Foundation Deed (30 numbered paras pp1-33) ... Robert Neuyle Bishop of Salesbury ... Humfray Stafford of Hoke Knyght ... Margaret Gogh of Berwyke wedowe ... John Fauntleroy of Alfeston ... John Baret of Shirbourne ... geuen gretyng vnto god (p19). Licence dated 11 July 15 Hen VI (1437) established 20 brethren as Governors, one being Master (with 12 men and 4 women, all poor and feeble, as beneficiaries) (p19). List of twenty brethers includes John Kayleway (p20).
Para 26 (p29) of the Deed refers to the messe (Mass) to be said daily for " the Bishop and his kin, Humfray ... , John now Bysshop of Bathe and Chauncellor of Yngelond, Margaret ... , John Fauntleroy ... , John Baret ... , and of William (sic) Kayleway of Shirbourne afore saide and fore the goode estate of the saide twenty brethers ... [no other names mentioned at this point]. Later in same para there is special mention " And for the saide William Kaylway and al his kynne is soules the whiche William hath be most special laborer to gete the saide letters patentes ... ". [A footnote on p50 ... " and Wm. Kayleway is cited as a ' more special laborer ' to get the King's letters patent, and also for making the present foundation (para 26).] And later still " ... for the soule of Isabelle that sum tyme was the wyfe of the saide William Kayleway ... " (p30).
" In an extant deed dated ... 18 Oct 32 Hen VI (1453), John Keyleway ... are seen possessed of ... " various messuages (p53).
The Principal and Original Donors are listed (p55-6) and the more important are described. John Keylway is one of the twenty persons who (jointly with their wives) gave v li. each (p55).
Some Later Benefactors (p67) include John Horsey, Knt. (grandson of the Abbey grantee), by Will dated 9 Apr 1589, bequeathed ... Master and Brethren ... £10 per annum.
Old Stained Glass (p71) mentions old glass now remounted in St Katherine's Chapel of the Abbey.
The Chancery Suit (p75) involved a Commission issued 15 June 43 Eliz. (1601) to Sir Walter Raleigh Knt. (of Sherborne), Sir Raufe Horsey Knt.(of Clifton Maubank) et al. (See 02/09/00 for p/copying.)
Wed 19/07/00 Started to extract/log inf from ... Almshouse ... Sherborne into this file, at least pro tem.
Thu 20/07/00 Completed (?) extract/log the Sherborne Almshouse material. Referred to Wills - William Kayleway of Sherborne, dated & proved 1469 PCC (fhtrsc10.wps p6) looks v relevant. He was son of John of Sherborne, husband of Joan (dead), father of William, grandfather of John, William, Agnes and Alice. Evidently wealthy, left money to Church, Almshouse etc, etc.
(E. and O.E.)
B H K Willoughby
Cheltenham
Extract made 18 January 2006
From: Sherrill
Williams
Sent: Jan 20, 2006
Subject: Sherborne
Warwick,
Thanks for the "Dorset extras." I will check them against my collection and work
in the new references. Mayo's "Guide to the Almshouse" was actually rather
cheap, as these things go. The total cost, including Air Mail, was $22.00 US.
The booklet was published in 1933, so you know it is "fairly old." Mayo produced
a "Guide to the Abbey - Sherborne" a few years earlier. I am going to try to
find one of those. Since he gave us RICHARD in the Almshouse guide, which
"shocked" me,perhaps the Abbey guide will provide additional "shocks." I would
really like to know just where in the church the C/K arms were originally
displayed. That is too much to hope for, I am certain. In re-looking the
documents that seem to pertain to this C/K family at Sherborne, I am gradually
concluding that the records are suggesting three John Kellaways lived
there. The John C/K involved with Dodill's Almshouse in the 14-teens is
probably the father of William (1469). It also seems that father John also had a
son named John (brother of William 1469)who died a few years before our William
died. The Inq.p.m. for him (John) named his heir as another John, aged 19.
Unfortunately we have not found an Inq pm for William (1469) which would be
extremely helpful in sorting this out. William (1469) in his will named
his son William (apparently his "heir"; were there other sons?). And son William
had, in 1469, sons William and John. We then apparently have a gap of a
generation or two before we get to the 1525 tax assessments. Looking for the
"William of Stalbridge" connection.
When I put together what we have on this family I will send you a copy before
submitting it for publication in the Journal.
Sherrill
Hi Friends,
From: Brian Kelway
Willoughby
Sent: Jan 23, 2006
Subject: Fowler's Mediaeval Sherborne - Guild of the Almshouse
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jan 24, 2006
Subject: Fowler's Mediaeval Sherborne - Guild of the Almshouse
Thanks so much Brian. Examination of the Family and their activities around Sherborne is a tad on the backburner at the moment as Sherrill beavers away on her definitive article for the CFA Journal. We have a lot of loose ends which need pulling to-gether.
I am still convinced that our mob purloined the Sherborne Missal, and that the largesse exhibited in Wills, labor and other contributions to the Abbey (which one of our ancestors helped to burn down) needs more examination!
I was
merely drawing attention to the facts surrounding our examination of the
significance of family relationships as exhibited by our as yet uncompleted
examination of extant stained glass. I am aware of Warwick's theory that we
inherited the glaziers nippers at about this time, but (sorry Warwick) this is
a bit wishy washy. However, the Sherbourne crowd and the Rockbourners were
tied into the Cammels, Courteneys etc.
Bruce
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jan 23, 2006
Subject: Calla/oways of East Sussex
SUSSEX, ENGLAND PARISH
REGISTERS
ALDINGBOURNE PARISH:
Thomas Callaway & Hannah Greenwood md. 20 April 1778
Sarah Calloway d/o Thomas & Hannah chr. 29 April 1781
Thomas Calloway s/o Thos. & Hannah chr. 13 Oct 1783
Edward Calloway s/o Thomas & Hannah chr. 15 May 1785
Zachariah Calloway s/o Thomas & Hannah chr. 29 Jan 1792
Thomas Calleway & Elizabeth Grant md. 22 July 1805
Sophia Calloway d/o Edward & Ann chr. 4 Aug 1822
William Callaway s/o Edward & Ann chr. 28 Aug 1825
ARLINGTON PARISH: [East Sussex]
Susan Calloway d/o William chr. 17 Nov 1633
Thomas Calloway s/o Will chr. 30 Nov 1634
John Calloway s/o Will. chr. 22 Aug 1641
Thomas Kelloway s/o Thomae & Joannae chr. 9 Nov 1662
Jana Calloway d/o Thomae & Janae chr. 12 June 1687
Maria Calloway d/o Thomae & Janae chr. 25 Aug 1689
Thomas Calloway s/o Thomae & Janae chr. 12 March 1691
[also given as son of Thomas & Mary - same date]
Joanna Calloway & Johannes Foot md. 28 Jan 1691
John Calloway s/o Thomae & Janae chr. 4 June 1694
Elizabeth Calloway d/o Thomae & Janae chr. 6 Sept 1696
Nicholaus Calloway s/o Thomae & Janae chr. 29 May 1698
Thomas Kelloway & Joannum Grey md. 9 Feb 1661
ARUNDEL PARISH:
Mary Ann Callaway & James Cooper md. 29 Aug 1836
Thomas Callaway s/o Thomas & Mary chr. 24 Aug 1738
Frederick Callaway & Anne Parker md. 27 Dec 1847
Charles Callaway s/o Frederic & Ann chr 30 April 1848
Frederic Callaway(?) Callaway s/o Frederic & Anne chr 29 July 1849
Fanny Callaway d/o Frederic & Anne chr 29 July 1849
Richard Callaway s/o Frederic & Ann chr. 27 Oct 1850
Annie Callaway d/o Frederick & Ann chr 25 April 1852
Jane Callaway d/o Frederick & ann chr. 26 Aug 1855
Hellen Callaway d/o Frederick & Ann chr. 26 Oct 1856
Henry Callaway s/o Frederick & Ann chr. 28 Feb 1858
Thomas Calloway & Ann Heward md. [no date]
BINSTED PARISH:
Thomas Calloway & Susan Shepherd md. 24 Dec 1727
Thomas Calloway & Mary White md. 29 Aug 1736
BIRDHAM PARISH:
Cutbert Callaway & Alice Busbye md. 17 Nov 1567
Thomas Callaway s/o [no parents named] chr. 24 Jan 1573
BODIAM PARISH: [East Sussex]
Mary Ann Callaway & Elijah Eldridge md. 19 Jan 1856
BRIGHTON ST STEPHEN PARISH:
Susan Callaway d/o James & Susan chr. 19 May 1871
CHALVINGTON PARISH: [East Sussex]
William Callaway s/o John & Mary chr. 2 Feb 1755
CHICHESTER ST ANDREW PARISH:
Richard Calloway s/o Thomas chr. 15 Nov 1614
Mary Callaway d/o Thomas chr. 23 Feb 1616
Thomas Calloway s/o Thomas chr. 22 Aug 1619
Thomas Calloway s/o Thomas chr. 1 May 1621
Jeremie Calloway s/o Tho: Calloway chr. 26 Oct 1623
Elizabeth Caloway d/o Thomas chr. 3 April 1626
CHICHESTER ST. PETER THE GREAT PARISH [or Subdeanery of Chichester]
John Calaway & Ann Pechy md. 21 Dec 1657
CHICHESTER - THE CLOSE:
Thomas Callaway s/o Thomas & Ann chr. 28 Aug 1695
CHICHESTER ST MARTIN PARISH:
Zachariah Callaway & Mary Barrow md. 25 Dec 1735
CHIDHAM PARISH:
Elizabeth Callaway d/o Edward & Ann chr. 6 April 1740
Ann Callaway d/o Edward & Ann chr 1 May 1741
Martha Callaway d/o Edward & Ann chr. 16 June 1745
CLIMPING PARISH:
Edward Calloway & Mary Holt md. 22 Oct 1752
Edwd. Calloway s/o Ed. & Mary chr. 2 Sept 1753
COMPTON PARISH:
Tho. Calloway & Ann Pacy md. 26 Dec 1704
Edward Callaway s/o Thomas & Anne chr 16 Dec 1705
Mary Calloway d/o Thomas & Ann chr. 28 March 1707
Ann Callaway d/o Tho. & Ann chr. 7 Oct 1708
Sarah Calloway d/o Tho. & Anne chr. 12 July 1711
Elizabeth Callaway & George Russell md. 20 Sept 1745
EAST GRINSTEAD PARISH: [East Sussex]
James Kellaway & Ann Ellis md. 27 April 1863
EWHURST PARISH: [East Sussex]
Margerie Calloway & Thomas Roper md. 7 Nov 1659
FELPHAM PARISH:
John Calaway & Margaret Richards md. 4 Nov 1634
FERRING PARISH:
George Callaway s/o Henry & Sarah chr. 10 March 1822
Ann Kelloway & George Streeter md. 1 Oct 1841
Sarah Ann Kelloway d/o George & Charlotte chr. 24 Oct 1847
Elizabeth Killaway & Charles Penfold md. 14 April 1849
George Kellaway s/o George & Charlotte chr. 25 Dec 1850
Harriet Kelloway d/o George & Charlotte chr. 20 April 1851
Ann Kelloway d/o George & Charlotte chr 19 June 1853
Lucy Kelloway d/o George & Charlotte chr. 11 Sept 1859
Emily Kelloway d/o George & Charlote chr. 10 Aug 1862
[NEW] FISHBOURNE PARISH:
John Callaway s/o John chr. 23 Nov 1615
Joan Callaway d/o John chr. 28 Jan 1623
James Calloway & Martha Hall md. 26 Dec 1704
Elizabeth Calloway d/o James & Martha chr. 2 Dec 1705
FITTLEWORTH PARISH:
Elizabeth Calloway & John Garrard md. 3 May 1698
Anne Calloway & George Figg md. 23 Dec 1735
GORING PARISH:
George Kellaway & Charlotte Saker md. 24 Dec 1845
LAUGHTON PARISH:
Samuel Calloway & Dorothy Goldsmith md. 16 Sept 1672
Richard Calliway & Ann Hilands md. 5 May 1800
HOVE ST ANDREW PARISH: [East Sussex]
Richard Robert Callaway & Harriet Whittingham md. 10 Feb 1863
LEWES PARISH: (ALL SAINTS?) [East Sussex]
John Callaway & Ann Mapelsden md. 7 April 1826
Rebecca Callaway & Richard Ockenden md. 20 Oct 1628
ST. JOHN SUB CASTRO PARISH, LEWES: [East Sussex]
William Callaway & Rebecca Swann md. 27 April 1612
LITTLEHAMPTON PARISH:
Annie Callaway & Henry Simpson md. 27 Dec 1873
Charles Callaway & Mary Street md. 10 May 1874
MIDDLETON BY BOGNER: [Middleton-on-Sea (near) Bogner Regis]
Elizabeth Calloway d/o John chr. 6 Sept 1635
Thomas Calloway s/o John chr. 23 Aug 1640
NEWHAVEN PARISH: [East Sussex]
Thomas Callaway s/o Christopher & Emmy chr. 13 Oct 1784
Susannah Calloway & Thomas Young md. 1 Aug 1799
OVING PARISH: [East Sussex]
Maria Kelleway & William Brewer md. 28 March 1525
PAGHAM PARISH:
Hannah Callaway & Richard Robinson md. 7 March 1803
PETWORTH PARISH:
Mary Kallaway d/o John chr. 1 Sept 1678
Charles Callaway s/o John chr. 5 June 1687
John Callaway s/o John chr. 9 March 1702
William Callaway s/o John chr. 3 March 1705
Elizabeth Callaway d/o John chr. 22 Aug 1707
Thomas Callaway s/o John chr. 20 Aug 1710
Mary Callaway d/o Jo. chr. 20 July 1718
Thomas Callaway s/o John & Mary chr. 17 Jan 1732
Willm. Caloway s/o John & Mary chr. 23 May 1736
Mary Calloway d/o John & Mary chr. 13 Nov 1737
John Callaway s/o John & Catherine chr. 3 March 1749
John Callaway s/o John & Catherine chr. 18 Dec 1751
Mary Calloway d/o John & Elizabeth chr. 29 July 1768
John Callaway s/o John & Elizabeth chr. 9 Jan 1775
Elizabeth Callaway d/o John & Elizth. chr 5 Oct 1777
Elizabeth Callaway & James Rogerson md. 2 June 1795
RACTON PARISH:
Elizabeth Callaway & William Moses md. 10 Oct 1756
Mary Callaway & Arthur Varndell md. 22 Oct 1772
Anne Callaway d/o James chr 17 Sept 1778
Mary Calloway d/o James & Ann chr. 13 Dec 1782
John Callaway s/o James & Ann chr. 29 June 1786
RIPE PARISH: [East Sussex]
William Calloway s/o Richard & Ann chr. 9 June 1811
ROGATE PARISH:
Ellen Callaway d/o George Augustus & Louisa chr. 30 Nov 1843
Mary Callaway & Conningsby Denny md. 22 July 1863
ROTHERFIELD PARISH: [East Sussex]
Ellinor Calliway & Robert Gilbert md. 5 Sept 1714
RUSTINGTON PARISH:
Frank Hyde Callaway s/o Frederick & Ann chr. 30 Nov 1863
Walter Avis Callaway s/o Frederick & Ann chr. 24 Aug 1866
SALEHURST PARISH: [East Sussex]
Mary Jane Callaway d/o Abraham Callaway & Jane Harvey chr. 21 May 1837
SELSEY PARISH:
Thomas Callaway & Mary Clark md. 28 May 1808
Thomas Callaway s/o Thomas & Mary chr. 7 Jan 1809
Mary Ann Calloway d/o Thomas & Mary chr. 2 Dec 1810
Charles Callaway s/o Thomas & Mary chr. 2 Jan 1814
Edward Callaway & Ann Fox md. 29 Sept 1814
William Calloway s/o Thomas & Mary chr. 10 Dec 1815
Charlotte Callaway d/o Edward & Anne chr 4 May 1817
George Callaway s/o Thomas & Mary chr. 17 Jan 1819
David Callaway s/o Thomas & Mary chr 28 March 1824
SIDLESHAM PARISH:
Marut Calloway d/o Cutberd chr. 18 July 1572
Cutberd Calloway & Elizabeth Faith md. 25 July 1575
Elizabeth Calloway d/o Cutberd chr. 3 April 1575
WESTBOURNE PARISH:
William Calloway s/o James & Ann chr. 12 Sept 1788
WESTMESTON PARISH: [East Sussex]
John Callaway & Ann Brooker md. 26 July 1815
Samuel Calaway & Elizabeth Hollingdale md. 15 Dec 1817
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From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 2, 2006
Subject: Cornwall to Dorset
From: Don Kellaway & Les Haigh
Sent: Feb 3, 2006
Subject: Kelways
Hi Norma,
I was thinking about your family and I came upon this birth and death
registration which is just too much of a coincidence not to be a huge clue
to your line.
Births Jun 1838
Kelway Edmund Hallson Redruth 9 259
Deaths Jun 1839
Kelway Edmund Hallison Redruth 9 157
The CFHS baptism printout lists this as just Edmund and has it to Charles
and Mary but I think it must be an error and it should be Charles and Peggy
b.10.06.1838 Falmouth I have them married m.07.06.1837 Helston.
The certificate can be ordered on-line using a credit card (it's £7.50 in UK
you can order from abroad) at:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
The point really is that Charles must have named Edmund for his mother's
maiden name which rather helps with Edward and Cecily Hallson doesn't it?
Returning to the Colyton problem I have a possible Edward Calway for you.
Just possible only. This is the family and link back. Woodbury is
fairly near to Colyton
EDWARD CALLOWAY & PATIENCE LEE m.28 MAY 1743 Woodbury
Devon
Iseat 31.01.1744
Edward 21.12.1746 m. Susanna Holman?
John 10.04.1754
EDWARD CALWAY & SUSANNA HOLMAN m.28.11.1773 Topsham Devon
Edward 03.12.1775 Topsham m. Cecily Hallson 04.02.1795
Broadwindsor?? Wonder if there are notes on this marriage.
John 27.12.1786 Woodbury m. Charlotte Channon?
I also have this marriage and birth in Colyton. Perhaps another brother for
Charles. I cannot find any of these people on later census.
HENRY KELLEWAY & ANNE HOOKE m.02 JUL 1823 Colyton
Thomas b. 02.03.1824
Ann Hook b.15 Aug 1803 c. 21 May 1804 Colyton of Michael Hook & Ann
Can’t find a suitable birth for Henry about 1800 anywhere in Devon, Cornwall
or Dorset but lots missing on IGI
I have an even more tenuous link from the first Edward back through to
Redruth and with one tenuous link I can get from the Redruth families down
to William Kellaway Whitchurch 1730 and didn't you say Charles and William
DNA matches? Well those of you on this line might enjoy trying to
prove/disprove this if nobody has come up with a better idea yet. Let me
know and I'll send on the details.
Hope it helps a bit more.
All the best
Lesley
From: Don Kellaway
Sent: Feb 6, 2006
Subject: Dorset Records
Hi everyone:
The following is from a report that I received from my Dorset
researcher.
I guess it pays to revisit your sources occasionally. You will find notes
from the marriage are attached. We had already identified the marriage
from the OPC website so I paid little attention to those details, shame on
me. My prime interest was in identifying any children of Edward and
Cecilia.
Cheers, Don
"The following is the information I found for you at the Dorset Record
Office.
Baptisms: I looked from 1794 to 1814.
1798 17th June, Cicely daughter of Edward and Cicely Kellaway (could be
Kelloway).
1799 6th October, Thomas son of Thomas and Cecilia Kellaway.
1801 12 July, Cecilia daughter of Edward and Cecilia Kelloway.
1804 26th February, George son of Edward and Cicely Kellway.
Marriage:
February 4th 1796, Edward Kelway and Cicely Hallson Both of this Parish were
married in this Church by Banns be me Awbry Price
In the presence of: John Nail (difficult to read) .. The mark of and James
Brown (He could have been a Church Warden and his name is witness at
several marriages.)
Burials:
1799 9th April, Cecilia Kalloway.
1802 lst July Cicily Kellway.
1802 19th December Elizabeth Kellway. (Who is she???)
1804 29th March George Kellway.
I hope that the above information will be of help to you. I have copied the
spellings exactly. I realise that it looks as thought Cecilia was buried
before she was born but that is how it is shown in the registers. I know
from my own research on the Kellaways that sometimes the vicar
sometimes wrote things down incorrectly. No doubt the local accent had
something to do with it.
I saw the Elizabeth Kellway and thought I ought to make a note of her, I
went back to the baptisms to see if I could find her but I am afraid I
could not, so I do not really know who she belongs to. There is only a name
and date at this time, do parents names. There were no other
Kellaway (and spellings) within the dates I was looking at, several Hallsons."
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 11, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (d. 1469)
Dear All, at last winter has arrived in East Tennessee, USA. We have
awakened to a beautiful snowfall, the kind that snow shrouds ever tree
branch and twig. And since I am bored with proofreading, let us once again
examine the Sherborne Kellaways.
I feel quite confident now in saying that William K. (d 1469) was married
1st to Isabelle [Unknown] and 2nd to Joan, the widow of Roger Ledred. His
child/children were likely of first wife, Isabelle. Interesting that the
Leddred's show up in the Helyar papers, Muniments from Coker Court, where we
found the early records on the Calowe family of Weston, etc. DD\WHh/584 - 8
Aug 1334 "By John Merston, of Bruton, Philip Leddred, of WESTON and others
that John Clerk of Alre recovered in the King's Court at Ilchester against
Edward Chamflour, John Fitzjames and others a
mill, garden, etc in Bruton. [Somerset Record Office - A2A index]
Same source: 1413 - Witnesses to a document: Thomas Pauncefot, John
Montague, Wm Wason, ROGER LEDDRED, etc.
It had to be William, the son of William K. (d. 1469) who married Joan
Barret. Dorset Record Office, papers of Baret Family of Sherborne - 26 March
1463: D1548/1 (2) William Kayleway senior, William Kayleway & Joanne his
wife [possibly a conveyance of property from the Barets to the two William
K's (the younger one having the wife named Joanne)].
In his will William K. (d. 1469) made a bequest to the White Friars of
Bristol, to pray for his soul. Did we wonder why? Bristol Record Office: St
Leonard's Vestry (Ancient Deeds) 40365/D/2/43 - March 29, 1465 - Grant by
feoffment: William Talbot, executor of William Selwood esquire (together
with John Atherley of London and Thomas Norton of Bristol deceased) and
William Kayleway of Shirborne, Somerset, gent. [Two
other similar documents, one a Power of Atty.] I don't know how "Shirborne"
got into Somerset, but maybe the boundary line was indistinct to those in
Bristol and London.
Seeing the name of William Talbot, and the mention of Bruton in the above
docs. causes me to wonder if those Kellaways of Butleigh, Barton St David,
etc. are a part of William K. of Sherborne family!
When you all figure out this next one, explain it to me, please. Devon
Record Office - Berry Pomeroy - 1510 - Title Ref. 3799M-0/T/1/1:
Premises: eight messuages, two mills and lands in Berry Pomeroy, Bridgetown
Pomeroy, Smalebroke and Flete, which Oto Gilbert, Thomas Bowryng and John
Snape gave to Henry Pomeroy and Anne his wife and the lawful heirs of their
bodies. If Henry and Anne die without heirs of their bodies, the premises
remain to Thomas Pomeroy son of the said Henry, and Agnes Kayleway daughter
of Johanne daughter of the said
Anne, and the heirs of the body of Thomas and after the death of Henry,
Anne, Thomas and Agnes, remainder to Richard Pomeroy son of Thomas
Pomeroy.----- I think we figured out that Agnes Kayleway was d/o a John K.
Was that John, grandson of William (d 1469), son of his son, William?
It seems that William K. (1469) was son of a John; that he had a brother,
John, perhaps the one involved in the Abbey fire and the almshouse; brother,
John also had as heir, his son John. And William, the son of William (1469)
also had a son named John. The Johns appear to have remained around
Sherborne - three of them were shown as buried there in the early parish
registers.
I think I will go back to "proofreading."
Sherrill
From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Feb 12, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Oh Dear this made me dizzy but the only way I can make any sense of
that last bit is if Henry and Ann have no heirs together. The Premises are
shared by Henry Pomeroy and Agnes Kaylewye (not his wife) and it goes
something like this:
Henry Pomeroy married 1) XXXXX produced a son Thomas who has a son Richard
Henry Pomeroy married 2) Ann xxxxx a widow who previously had a daughter
Joanne who married ?John Kellaway and their daughter is Agnes Kellaway
Or maybe I'm just dizzy.
Lesley
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 12, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Les, from memory I think the Pomeroy pedigree shows that Agnes
Kayleway married Thomas Pomeroy, s/o Henry. Henry's wife, Anne, was
the widow or d/o of Robert? Cammell; Henry Pomeroy was Anne's 2nd
husband (no children by him). We have to assume that Richard Pomeroy
is s/o Thomas and Agnes. What bothers me about this record is - why do they
keep referring to Agnes as "Agnes Kayleway"? and not Agnes Pomeroy. From
other records we deducted that Agnes was the d/o John Kayleway (possibly the
grandson of William (d 1469). Perhaps you could take a look at this when you
go back to Devon RO. I have a bit of "English cash" if you could get me a
copy and I could reimburse you for the
copy and mailing costs. No hurry, but this thing keeps driving me nuts!
Bruce worked on this a while back. Perhaps he can offer clarification.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 12, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Hi Sherrill
I am making a quick reply.
You have always argued that the Heraldic Pedigrees were unreliable,
and that the Joan Barrett marriage was later than I had juggled from the
Pedigrees. There also appeared to have been a "missing generation" - I had
thought perhaps of two Thomases - one born about 1430-5, the other, we do
know, 1470. If, using some more lateral thinking, there were two Williams,
rather than Thomases, we may get a better result matching the new
information you amazingly keep uncovering. His father was John, OK the
series of Johns seem covered. From his will, there is only mention of one
son, William, but, grandsons John and William. I had assumed his son would
have been the first Sir William, but maybe Sir William was the grandson.
There would have to be some serious study of all the current information,
but if William of Sherborne was born c 1400, as we are
fairly certain, and this "new" son William about 1425-30, that would place
"Sir" William being born about 1450-60, along with the other "will"
grandchildren John, Agnes and Alice.
As I say there needs to be some serious thinking, and potential
re-organising of our current records, but maybe, just maybe, you have got
it!
Sherborne was indeed very close to the county boundary, and at some time was
regarded as being in Somerset. I thought I had seen somewhere that Barton St
David was a home of some of William's descendants.
Back to work
Warwick
If you go to the Pomeroy pedigree and it can be believed, all or most will be revealed. You will note that it is a long pedigree, but scroll down 16 entries from the top and you will be amongst it.
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 12, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Thanks, Bruce - that is what we first
thought, that Agnes was d/o William Kellaway. But then, go to Kellchat and
find where it was determined that Agnes was d/o John Kellaway. I don't
think the Pomeroys were quite clear on the matter, either. Then there are
the statements of Katherine Huddesfield, formerly married to a Pomeroy. I
have that record but the d--- thing is in Latin. The first thing I will do
is attempt to transcribe it so all my "Latin experts" can have a go at it.
I think Katherine was married to Seintclere Pomeroy, but no children.
Seintclere's brothers/nephews were his heirs, thus Katherine's (who later
married Huddesfield) interest in the matter.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Sherrill, Bruce
I think there were at least two Agneses, daughters of a William, and a
John.
Warwick
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 12, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
That is probably correct, Warwick. But it
certainly does tangle up my thinking. That, and some other matters, like
Thomas "of the pedigrees." I now feel fairly confident that "William of
Stalbridge" [from Martin's will, 1575) is the William on the 1525 tax
assessment in the Stalbridge area, and was a churchwarden at St Mary's,
Stalbridge. Martin said he had sons: Thomas the elder, William, Robert
(Martin's father) and Thomas the younger. I truly believe Martin knew this
information, and the timeline is right. We will get back to work on this
shortly while I still remember my questions. We have to fit Thomas into
this story; he certainly must be William Cammell's nephew, son of
Cammell's sister, but removed a generation or so from the Barret
connection.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 13, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Sherrill
A quick comment, before I shut down.
I already had an Agnes as the daughter of John. If as we now suspect,
there was another William - William of Sherborne, in his 1469 will
referred to a granddaughter Agnes, but only one son - William. Probably
therefore, but not necessarily certainly, she would be the daughter of his
son William. I did have an Agnes as possibly William of Sherborne's
daughter, as well as Morris and John the father of Agnes, but these
individuals need some serious thinking about, in lieu of the two William
scenario. That John apparently died around 1478, so to have a daughter
marrying Thomas Pomeroy at that time, he would probably have been the son
of the first William. (I know there were the three earlier Johns,
William's father, brother and nephew - but there appear to have been no
further descendants from them.)
As regards William of Stalbridge, I had him born around 1495 (which would
match your 1525 tax date), the brother of Robert, son of 1470 Thomas, and
grandson of "William". He married twice - Elizabeth Wyffen and Ellinor
Coker. By them he produced Thomas the elder, and Thomas the younger,
respectively. I would have to check my notes again for all his family, but
I thought he only had the one son by his first wife, but did have a son
Robert by the second. (I think also a son William) The earlier Robert,
William of Stalbridge's brother had two sons - John and Martin. So Martin
was William's nephew. (Forget Robert W&L here - there were two Roberts in
the Dorset family - the first born about the same time as Robert W&L -
wonder how that happened?)
Again, if the new theory of two Williams is correct, the Thomas we are
speaking of would still be the eldest son of William of Sherborne's son
William and Joan Barrett. William No2's second marriage, to the Stantner
lady, produced the Rockbourne Sir William (and apparently a Peter and
another Thomas). It all fits, so far as I can see, but has anyone yet
found the Stantners?
I shall endeavour to place these confusing individuals with probable
dates, next week. Hopefully that will explain matters.
Warwick
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 13, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Warwick, one of the early Johns (brother or father of William
1469 had a wife named Agnes. William (1469) had son, William, whose
children named in will were: William, John, Agnes and Alice. I consider
Martin's will as the "official source" (vs the Visitation pedigrees).
Martin was clear: his grandfather was William of Stalbridge - whose
children were: Thomas the Elder, William, Robert (Martin's father)and
Thomas the younger. We can prove that Thomas the younger was s/o of Elenor
Coker. The others were by the first wife. It would appear that the John
K's remained around
Sherborne. Three Johns were buried there according to the earliest (begin
1538) parish registers. They may have resided in one of the nearby
parishes, but the histories suggest that those in the nearby parishes were
buried at Sherborne. Those 1525 tax lists are our best source for placing
these people, most of the early parish registers not surviving. We need to
investigate the Whiffen/Whyffen family to see if there is a clue.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 14, 2006
Subject: William Kaylwaye (1469)
Again, if the new theory of two Williams is correct, the Thomas
we are speaking of would still be the eldest son of William of Sherborne's
son William and Joan Barrett. William No2's second marriage, to the
Stantner lady, produced the Rockbourne Sir William (and apparently a Peter
and another Thomas).
It all fits, so far as I can see, but has anyone yet found the Stantners?
I am trying to hang in there, but of one thing I am certain. The Mother of Sir Bill and his brothers Pete and Tom was nee STANTOR who hailed from Woodhouse Castle HORNINGSHAM on the Wilts/Somerset border.
From: Don Kellaway
Sent: Feb 14, 2006
Subject: Sarah Kellaway nee Goss
Hi
to all:
Recent developments have triggered my interest in Sarah apparently alive
in 1841 apparently having remarried and living with her daughter "Mary
Anne Torr". Research done by the Devon Record Office indicated that
neither William Kellaway nor Sarah Goss were baptized in the Tavistock
parish church "St. Eustachius". During a visit to England in 1998 I
visited the church in Tavistock and found a Goss grave marker hidden away
in the bushes near the church. The inscription on the grave marker was
difficult to read but my interpretation was "Grace, wife of George Goss
who departed this life 18 February, 1821 age 61 years".
Since I have the listing of marriages from the DHFS form 1757 to 1812 for
the name "Goss" The only Grace and George that fit the dates was a Grace
Beare to George Goss at Exeter St. Martin on 24 April, 1796. Then I looked
for a Sarah that had married a Goss since my Sarah Goss could have been
named after her mother. I found one that fit the time frames for this
scenario in "Colyton" on 29 October, 1766 where a George Goss married
Sarah Barrat. While all of this may be a coicidence it is possible that
George and Sarah are brother and sister. I am beginning to think that
Colyton may deserve some further attention.
From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Feb 14, 2006
Subject: Sarah Kellaway nee Goss
Hi
Don,
That looks like a good clue to work on. I should have spotted the burial
it is in my Burial Index for Tavistock. Grace Goss buried 22 Feb 1821 aged
62. I have checked 1813 to 1837 no George but there is Ann Goss Buried 07
Dec 1826 aged 49 which might help. It does occur to me that another
possible explanation is that Grace could be a second wife for George who
married Sarah 1766. Colyton is looking very interesting as you say.
Lesley
From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Feb 14, 2006
Subject: Sarah Kellaway nee Goss
Hi
again Don,
Found these. Might explain George's presence in Tavistock. COUNTY OF
DEVON - QUARTER SESSIONS
Catalogue Ref. QS
VICTUALLERS RECOGNIZANCES - ref. QS/63
Tavistock
FILE [no title] - ref. QS/63/2/05/002 - date: 1822 [from Scope and
Content] George Goss, White Hart
FILE [no title] - ref. QS/63/2/15/019 - date: 1823 [from Scope and
Content] George Goss, White Hart
FILE [no title] - ref. QS/63/3/08/004 - date: 1824 [from Scope and
Content] George Goss, White Hart
FILE [no title] - ref. QS/63/5/11/015 - date: 1825 [from Scope and
Content] George Goss, White Hart
FILE [no title] - ref. QS/63/4/13/019 - date: 1826 [from Scope and
Content] George Goss, White Hart
Also just in case I found a couple of Sarah Goss about right age. Very
much a long shot. Stoodleigh a bit to North of Tiverton.
Stoodleigh Parish
Catalogue Ref. 2985 A Creator(s): Church of England, Stoodleigh Parish,
Devon
OVERSEERS OF THE POOR
Apprenticeship Apprenticeship Indentures
FILE - John Goss apprenticed to John Webber for Warsbrightley - ref. 2985
A/PO 8/98 - date: 1782
FILE - James Goss apprenticed to Thomas Besley of Loxbear for West
Whitnall - ref. 2985 A/PO 8/118 - date: 1786
FILE - Mary Goss apprenticed to Philip Merson for Throwcombe - ref. 2985
A/PO 8/122 - date: 1788
FILE - Sarah Goss apprenticed to Thomas Copp for Colfoard Mills and
Colfoard Downs - ref. 2985 A/PO 8/134 - date: 1790
FILE - Thomas Goss apprenticed to Robert Marshall for Little Silver - ref.
2985 A/PO 8/138 - date: 1792
FILE - Jenny Goss, aged 7, apprenticed to William Bere yeoman for Ashcombe
- ref. 2985 A/PO 8/144 - date: 1794
FILE - Ann Goss, 9, apprenticed to Thomas Hatswell yeoman for Rifton
Barton - ref. 2985 A/PO 8/156 - date: 1797
FILE - Grace Goss, 8, apprenticed to Roger Maunder yeoman for Champler -
ref. 2985 A/PO 8/164 - date: 1801
FILE - Susanna Goss, 11, apprenticed to John Talley for Stoodley Barton -
ref. 2985 A/PO 8/179 - date: 1805
FILE - John Goss, otherwise Copp, 7, apprenticed to John Brickdale Esq.
for Ashcoombe - ref. 2985 A/PO 8/200 - date: 1813
FILE - William Goss, 9, apprenticed to Jacob Venner yeoman for East
Studleigh - ref. 2985 A/PO 8/222 - date: 1825
Binding Orders
FILE - William Goss bound to Jacob Venner - ref. 2985 A/PO 9/5 - date:
1825
Bastardy Examinations
FILE - Mother: Sarah Goss Putative Father: John Copp of Stoodley - ref.
2985 A/PO 13/4 - date: 1806
Lesley
From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 4, 2006
Subject: Kellaway Mineral Water
To
Sir Hans Sloane, President of the Royal Society.
Sir,
Dr Andree having Wrote this Treatise on my mineral spring, I thought it
could not be dedicated to any properer Person than yourself. I
hope you'l excuse our not Asking your Leave first. I have been at Ofset[?]
& lookt over yr Farme & shoulde be glad of any Opertunity to meet you at
Mr Pates or any Other place to give you my thoughts on the Same [?], and
be assured that I am Sincearely Sir Your most obliged Humble Servt Jno
Kellaway The 29 Novem 1736
(BL Manuscript 4055 f9)
So who was this John, and did he get any backing from the Royal Society
for the exploitation of his mineral spring? There was a covering note from
Dr John Andrée introducing his article.
From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 5, 2006
Subject: British Library
Dear All,
I spent a few hours yesterday at the British Library.
It's a really exciting place to do research. Forget the poky little CROs
and local libraries: the space and the architecture here are incredible.
There appear from the outside to be no windows, but the interior has
indirect natural lighting. In the manuscript room where I was, documents
are brought to your desk.
The two primary purposes of the visit were unproductive.
See a separate email about the Sherborne Cartulary.
There are several armorials. These (being manuscripts) are the notebooks
of Kings of Arms (i.e. members of the College of Arms), and they contain
handwritten descriptions and sketches ("tricks") of people's bearings.
Those I saw date from the C16th and C17th.
Sir William Segar (the one you asked me to check) was one of the heralds;
his notebook (with a broken binding) has monochrome ink sketches without
descriptions, and blank pages at the back.
There were no C/Ks in any of them. The books were all indexed, but I
searched through them anyway in search of quarterings.
I returned (twice) to the printed catalogue of manuscript holdings, and
ended up with some references which need to be checked, including
(apparently) some K**way arms. These were spotted later, so I shall have
to return for a look.
Some interesting items did come to my desk before I had evaluated what I
should have been requesting first.
One was a handwritten book, ( 30338) beautifully bound, that had belonged
to a Kellaway. It is entitled Treatise on Diseases, etc. It is
quite thick and written is dense unparagraphed Latin. On the last page is
"Laudeo deo.... John Kellaway". (Sorry, no date, though I feel it was
1730s) Does anyone recognize John, the medical student or doctor?
I spotted in passing a pedigree of the Weston family, and ordered it
wondering if it might contain any Kellaway references. One of the stewards
came to my desk. "I've left what you wanted over there.".
I must have looked puzzled.
"On the trolly next to the table."
I saw a narrow box about two metres long.
I had to wait until someone else finished on the "large documents" table
with a book, a mere 2 feet by 5 feet, and then a steward helped me unbox
this treasure. There was a vellum roll, with visible stitching, about 5
feet wide rolled around a length of curtain rod (with finials). I guess it
must have been 30 feet long. As we prepared to unroll it I saw that it
referred to the Westons of Surrey. Now Warwick or Sherrill may correct me,
but that's not the relevant family, so I apologized for wasting his time,
fun as it might be to play with this pedigree.
Looking ahead to my next visit, please advise me:
Are we interested in Matilda le Calewe of Mortone? Quit claim to Simon &
Johanna le Smerekever on half an acre in Mortone. (Henry III) (Add ch
5993). Where's Mortone?
Ditto Cailloue, the London bookseller. (Letters to and from P Bayle, 1696,
1696. Fr[ench?] ff 97,106,113,117). (I guess that's our friend from Rouen,
in exile.)
Ditto William Calwe, a priest. This is a sepulchral brass, so how that's a
manuscript I don't know.
Do we know anything about John Kelwaye, the vicar of Wookey in 1562?
There are letters dating 1908 between FGK, my great-uncle, and J Burns.
They have the seal of Richard de Kellawe, the Bishop of Durham, though I
doubt one can actually read that!
Any suggestions?
Bill
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 5, 2006
Subject: British Library
Speaking of
the Surrey Westons - I have a pedigree taken from the web that shows the
Surrey Westons marrying with our CAMMELLS in Dorset. Causes me to wonder
if they really knew their Weston origins. I did not pursue this, but
remain curious.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 6, 2006
Subject: British Library
Sherrill
There is little doubt that time, particularly centuries later, would fog
any family familiars. The Heraldic Pedigrees were not produced until 100
or more years after the Westons separated from the Dorset Calewes, while
the additional Cammell connection was presumably in this period, or later.
They were intermarrying among a limited number of families, which
undoubtedly included distant cousins. The point I think is, that because
of the common manner of determining families from their location, even
after 2 or 3 generations, the differing name would be producing people
with little knowledge of their earlier cousins, other than some distant
kinship. The same happens today with our own cousins, where a marriage has
introduced a new name. Eventually we lose them - they are different
families. The one factor that could remain, with families such as the
Westons, is DNA - provided the male line has been continuous.
Warwick
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 6, 2006
Subject: Timberscombe
Well, I've
heard of Timberscombe and have been there. You all need to read my
treatise on the Wellington, Somerset Calways in a Callaway Journal a few
years back. Maybe you don't all have this issue of the Journal, but Bruce
does, and probably "Bulletin" Bill.
This is where we were looking for JOSEPH. Lot's of Josephs in this clan.
Also been to Monksilver, which is interesting. It is the only place we
have found a C/K named "Maurice" (as in Dorset pedigrees). He may be a bit
young for the Dorset Maurice as per the pedigrees - but I wonder if they
really knew how or where Maurice fit in the pedigree. We have NEVER found
another Maurice, and the one in Monksilver seems not to belong to the
other family there...all alone with wife and a couple of kids. He and wife
buried there. This is a beautiful part of Somerset, and Watchet is
interesting too. There is an interesting little museum there. The legend
is that this is the only placc where a ship was captured on horseback.
When the tide is out, Watchet harbor has no water; all the pleasure boats
were sitting on the ground when we were there. Back in time during the
Danish invansions, a Danish ship came up to the entrance to the harbor;
the tide went out and the ship was sitting on the ground. The local horse
troops trotted out and took the ship. Watchet was once a thriving harbor
on the Bristol Channel, but with larger ships being built it became
difficult to navigate into Watchet. Bridgwater then got the bulk of the
shipping. When Watchet harbor was thriving there was much trade in wool
with Ireland. That seems to have drawn some of the Wellington clan to the
Watchet area as they were traditionally involved in the cloth business.
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 6, 2006
Subject: William of Sherborne
The Family of William of Sherborne (Word document)
Timberscombe - Watchit - and Monksilver - we certainly drained the Somerset Record Office of all its items. Because of Joseph and Ann Morgan Callaway we persuaded the SRO to let us view and copy the original parish records there and tracked them past 1700 where they died. Their desc. had to be the group we found later in Glous. thru the 1800's. We handled all those Manorial originals, too Still this clan
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Mar 7, 2006
Subject: Pre medieval
Following a previous discussion, I have attempted to place all references to our 'Family' from the earliest recorded in the excellent (free) download of a Family Tree program from the Mormans. Because it is amenable to GEDCOM, it allows additions, corrections etc.
Descendants of Guillaume de Cailli (Adobe PDF file)
Once the attached is opened, you can use the Adobe facility to enlarge it (say to about 150%) and it becomes capable of printing. Warwick for one has done an enormous amount of research on this. Admittedly it is possibly in the realms of archaeology rather than genealogy nevertheless it encompasses recorded fact, and is an attempt to link the pre-medieval to the medieval.
Whilst we wrestle with more intimate details of 'recent' family
relationships, I thought that I might throw this into the ring to
demonstrate the depths of research of the CFA. Just a
thought for the night and no comments solicited, (Don't let that stop you
however!)
Bruce
Worked all day tidying up my Family Tree program. When I combine all of the recorded marriages into and out of the Family during the two centuries (1400-1600), I cannot reduce a pdf readout under 30 pages! We sure have done this branch over in detail. I guess one of the reasons is that in this era, the Family was very affluent, had connections at Court and the Law, and were not averse to a bit of skulduggery, therefore finding their way into history by being the most recorded.
From: Bill
Piper
Sent: Mar 10, 2006
Subject: Scientifick Method: Kellaway Mineral Water cures Goute,
looseness and Distemper in cattle.
Sir,
Herewith I send you, 6 Bottles of Water from West Tillbury in Essex;
the place being situated within 2 miles of Tillbury Fort. It may
reasonably be supposed the Water may have some Communication with the
Marshes but in Order to cleare that Objection, I here give you the
true Account how he said Well lyeth, & what Observations have been
made by my self & others Etc.
This well was made by me in the year 1724 for the use of my House. I
having taken an observation by other springs not far from said Well,
that they lay about 12 foot deep from the surface of the Ground (which
is on a Hill at least 50 foot high above the Marsh Ground) in a hard
Gravell. At about 13 foot deep, there is a bed of Sand at least 30
foot deep which lyeth betwixt the said Spring and the Marshes which
prevents any Communication of Water that way & the said Well is within
40 yards of the Extream point of the Hill.
About the year 1727 I being much troubled with the Goute & a great
Cold I boyled some of the Water to drink with Wine when cold, and to
my great Surprize found it when boyled white like Whey, and so soon as
I putt some Whitewine into it became as fine and cleare as at first,
which putt me under some doubts, if it might be wholesome or not, but
as my family made use of the same for all Occasions, as Brewing, etc,
I constantly drank said Water when I was there & found my self alwaies
chearfull and that I made near 3 times the Water I made at any other
time. I am a great lover of Milk & never fail Eating some when I am
there, but it always worked off like Physick but one morning I drank a
Glass of the Water before I eat the Milk, & when the Milk had no
effect of purging, I have constantly made use on since, and it
continues the same.
In the year 1731 I had a loosness upon me about 14 or 16 days which
had made me very weake, but being obliged to go down to Tillbury to
look after my Farm I was desired to drink no Beare, but the Water and
Wine which I did and the first night my loosness stopped, & my stomach
was good the next day and I eat heartily though for ten days before I
could hardly Eat or Fast any thing.
I finding my self recovered from said Distemper, I ordered the Person
who looked after my Farm, if he found any of the Servants or other
Workmen troubled by the said Distemper that he would recommend them to
Drink the Water which he did and they recovered. Since which time,
several others have made Use of the said Water, with the same success.
As the foregoing is on Human body, I must take Notice of another
Experiment, which is very different in its kind.
You are to understand that as I keep said Farm in my Hands, I suckle a
great many Calves, & our young Calves are subject to a scouring and
often die, and for a Remedy, we usually boyl Oak Bark in Water, & give
them to Drink, to stop the Distemper. But for 12 Months last past we
have only given them the Water to Drink, which Immediately stops the
Distemper and we make use of nothing else.
I hope you will excuse the Liberty I have taken in relating the
Qualities of the Water but you may depend upon the same as down right
Facts & Truth, & that I am Sir,
your most humble servant
Jno Kellaway.
Experiments Tried
The water when boiled is white, like whey.
Put Whitewine into it it becomes clear.
Vinegar makes it much clearer.
Brandy makes no Alteration.
Galls pounded & put into the water makes it turn yellow.
Mr Bivan, an Apothecary in Lombard Street hath made some Experiments
which I am not acquainted with.
To Mr Hume Senr at
Mr Black's in Thames Street
With 6 Bottles of Tillbury Water
(In a different hand:)
NB John Andree M.D. hath publisht a small pamphlet entitled an Account
of Tilbury Water, Lond 1737 8vo
[Papers Relating to the Royal Society, Birch Collection, British
Museum Additional MS 4433 (British Library))
No doubt Bruce could discourse at
length on the medical efficacy of Kellaway's Tilbury Water.
From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 11, 2006
Subject: Kellaway: Pears & Nippers in unexpected places
Hello all,
At the British Library the general catalogue led me to these two Coats
of Arms, under Kellaway, etc.
The one on the left was in a collection of Suffolk pedigrees and arms,
but it was just like this, alone and without any date or
identification. (The 4th quarter is blank) Can anyone identify the
arms or the Kalawaye who lived in Suffolk. He was a bit far from the
Wessex homeland.
The one on the right was with
a manuscript document, the Statutes of Sidney Sussex College,
Cambridge.
Does anyone know of a connection with the college?
I have written to the archivist at the college, and will let you know
of any reply I get.
Bill
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Mar 11, 2006
Subject: Kellaway pears and nippers in unexpected places
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