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2005

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Warwick Kellaway Hamilton, New Zealand jwk at slingshot.co.nz
Bruce Callaway Sydney, New South Wales bruce at callaway.com.au
Bill Callaway British Columbia callawaybill at shaw.ca
Sherrill Williams Unicoi, Tennessee sherrilluwilliams at embarqmail.com
Pat Schnurr Maitland, Florida schnurr200 at aol.com
Cary Moore Birmingham, Alabama c.moore2 at juno.com
Bill Piper Kent, U.K. bill at dreycott.screaming.net
Brian Kelway Willoughby Gloucestershire, U.K. bhk.willoughby at btopenworld.com
Pat & David Scott Swindon, Wiltshire, England kellaway at kellread.plus.com
David Kelway Royston, Hwerts, U.K. chanticleer at breathemail.net
Lesley Haigh UK les.haigh at btinternet.com
Norma Kellaway Australia normakell at iprimus.com.au

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 2, 2005
Subject: Callaways of North Cornwall

Hello All,

     I am now back out of my "cave."  This project was generated by our interest in a Callaway family of seamen who worked out of Port Israel, Cornwall.  They apparently descend from a Zachariah Callaway of Boscastle.  Les had also expressed an interest in a Mathew Callaway of Bocastle.
    Attached is a collection of records from the area of Cornwall that I call the "chimney stack" - that northernmost, narrow area of Cornwall, adjoining Devon. I made some effort to put the families together, but leave the final picture for y'all to paint.
    Also, Bruce, when I was on the FTDNA website last week I checked out the Surname list of participants. It is interesting that there are now projects for Stafford and Weston.  It could be interesting to keep an eye on these projects.  They are apparently new; the Stafford project has only 5 participants so far (no scope indicated).  The Weston  project has only 3 participants - "Looking for Weston's from John Weston PA, date of birth 1720."
    For some time I have maintained the conviction that our Devonite friends (Tavistock, etc.) are descendants of the Callaway family, some of whose members became "alias Stafford."  The Yeo family is also married in.  Black Torrington is a key - that is where our Callaway/Staffords were situated.  For those who don't know, the Sherborne, Dorset C/K family descends from a family at a place called "Weston."  Part of the family adopted the [de] Weston surname and others took the C/K name.  We have proof of this from their property transactions.
   Sherrill

Callaways of North Cornwall 

To set the “mood” I offer the following from Time & Leisure magazine, July 1981; an article entitled “Cornwall, Where sweet sunlit coves hold the echoes of dark windy nights,” by Sesyle Joslin. 

            “Boscastle village, on the northern coast, sits on a wooded hill.  Below, in the small, narrow harbor, a furious sea allows itself to be eternally caught between towering cliffs.  “Chasmal beauty,” Thomas Hardy called it.

            Walking around the deserted harbor one Sunday morning, I came to a black- trimmed cottage called The Witch’s House.  It was closed, but in the window was a sign that I, happy disbeliever, stood copying in my notebook:  “.........this museum is devoted to the study of Black Magic and Witchcraft......it is also used as a meeting place by those active in present-day Witchcraft.”  As I finished and turned away, there were loud thumpings and stampings outraged sounds, and I confess to walking briskly in the wrong direction for some time, too frightened to pass the Witch’s House again.

            I no longer recall what wander’s fancy led me to Trevalga, but I have kept the memory of an old church graveyard, rain and wind blowing across the moors, a castle to romanticize this landscape, that a passionate, headstrong Cornwall insists on being portrayed.

            Tintagel Castle, which legend claims as King Arthur’s birthplace, stands high on a jagged promontory.  An ancient parish path leads the way through wildflowers, up to the ruin, to the cries of gulls and the thunder of waves.  “Tennyson, Tennyson!” Palgrave, his companion, used to call, running after the poet whenever he wandered too close to the cliff’s edge.  Tintagel village itself is more commerce than legend.  My addiction to Cornish cream teas, however, kept me in the crowded town of “Merlin’s Gifts” long enough to enjoy the fresh hot scones served with clotted cream at the Cottage Tea Shop.”

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All of these parish records, following, appear to relate to a family group of Zachariah Callaway.  Our person of interest is Zachariah Callaway of Minster, whose will is dated 19 May 1839.  He left to his son, William Callaway “All of that Dwelling House with the Garden and all Appurtenances thereto belonging., in Boscastle in the parish of Minster in the County of Cornwall.”

The following parishes are all located in the northenmost “chimney stack” of Cornwall, bordering on Devon. 

Launcells Parish, Hundred of Stratton 

Marriages:

Margaret Callaway & Alexander Sherme, 28 April 1646

Richard Callaway, Clk. of Launcells & Jane Cowlin (of Wm) of Week St Mary, 24 Oct.

  1650.

Zachry Callway & Katherine Braddon, 24 Nov 1663

Alice Callaway & Jeffrey Hacker, 24 April 1667

Matthew Callway & Frances Kinsman, 8 Sept (13 Oct?) 1681

Richard Callaway & Mary Southwood, 18 Dec 1695

Mary Callaway & William Yeo, 25 April 1695

William Callaway & Susan Lamerton, 21 Feb 1696

Rich. Callaway & Eliz. Bale [Bale?], 20 Nov 1729

Susannah Callaway & John Sleeman of Kilhampton, 6 Oct 1761

Mary Callaway & Richard Venin, 11 June 1769

Daniel Callaway & Dorothy Colmer, 27 April 1769 

Zachariah Callaway married ___?__;  d. 1692, Launcells (admr. granted to son Richard

(see Stratton) 

Richard Callaway married Agnes ___?__

   1.  Pet Callaway (male) chr. 29 June 1623, Launcells 

Zachary (Zach) Callaway married Katherine Braddon (of William) 24 Aug 1663, Launcells  [son of Richard Callaway, Clerk of Launcells?].  Zachary d. 1707 (administration to   brother, William Callaway).

   1.  Rich Callaway chr. 29 Sept 1663, Launcells

   2.  Zach Callaway chr. 12 Nov 1668, Launcells 

Richard Callaway married Katherine ___?___

   1.  George Callaway chr. 26 Jan 1664, Launcells 

Richard Calaway married Mary Southwood, 18 Dec 1695, Launcells

   1.  Rich. Callaway  chr. 20 June 1700, Launcells

   2.  Ann Callaway  chr. 12 April 1703, Launcells

   2.  Mary Callaway  chr. 1 July 1708, Launcells 

Richard Callaway, junr. married Eliz(th) Bate (of Allen), 20 Nov 1729, Launcells

   1.  Richard Callaway chr. 27 May 1730, Launcells

   2.  John Callaway chr. 28 Dec 1732, Launcells

   3.  Hen (male) Callaway chr. 8 May 1735, Launcells

   4.  Mary Callaway chr. 21 April 1740, Launcells. 

Zach Callaway married Grace ___?__

  1.  Zachariah Callaway chr. 11 March 1730, Launcells

  2.  Katherine Callaway chr. 2 (21?) Dec 1732, Launcells

  3.  Zacharias Callaway chr. 1 Nov 1734, Launcells

  4.  Mary Callaway chr. 23 Sept 1736, Launcells

  5.  Richard Callaway chr. 26 July 1738, Launcells

  6.  Danniel Callaway chr. 11 Sept 1740, Launcells

  7.  Cateran Callaway chr. 22 Sept 1742, Launcells

  8.  Zacharias Callaway chr. 19 April 1745, Launcells

  9.  Ann Callaway chr. 29 March 1747, Launcells

 10. Grace Callaway chr. 29 March 1747, Launcells

 11. Hannah Callaway chr. 30 March 1749, Launcells

 12. Susannah Callaway chr. 3 Nov 1751, Launcells 

Zacharias Callaway married Catherine Collins, 31 March 1785, Launcells

   1.  Grace Callaway chr. 13 Oct 1785, Launcells

   2.  Mary Callaway chr.  22 Feb 1787, Launcells

   3.  Catherine Callaway chr. 5 May 1790, Launcells 

Protestation Return, Launcells, 1641:  Richard Callway 

Stratton Parish, Hundred of Stratton 

Marriages:

Mary Callaway & William Brooke, 20 Sept 1688

Peter Callaway & Rebekah Lendey, 12 June 1690

Peter Callaway of Launcells & Mary Moore, 14 April 1737

Ann Callaway of Launcells & William Gorden, 13 April 1740

Mary Callaway & John Collins of Launcells, 15 June 1744

Mary Calaway & William Hawken [Hawkins], 4 Feb 1754 

[Possible]:

Richard Callaway married ___?___

  1. Zachary Callaway  [ md. Katherine Braddon (of Wm), 24 Aug 1663, Launcells?]

  2.  Catherine Callaway married ___?___ Hillary

  3.  Margaret Callaway married Alexander Sherme, 28 April 1646, Launcells

  4.  Mary Callaway - d. 1700,Stratton,  spinster (will 1686)

  5.  Richard Callaway married Jane Cowlin 

Peter Callaway married Rebecah Lendey, 12 June 1690, Stratton

  1.  John Callaway chr. 26 April 1691, Stratton

  2.  Richard Callaway chr. 1 Jan 1692, Stratton

  3.  Mary Callaway chr. 3 March 1694, Stratton

  4.  Peter Callaway chr. 7 March 1696, Stratton;  md. Mary Moor, 14 Apl 1737, Stratton

  5.  Elizabeth Callaway chr. 26 March 1699, Stratton

  6.  Rebecah Callaway chr. 22 March 1701, Stratton

  7.  William Callaway chr. 7 May 1704, Stratton

  8.  Sarah? [Sasan/Susan] Callaway chr. 3 Aug 1707, Stratton 

Matthew Callaway married ____?___

   1. Mary Callaway chr. 2 June 1692 

John Callaway married Ann __?__

  1.  William Callaway chr. 3 July 1741, Stratton

  2.  Hester Callaway chr. 5 Sept 1742, Stratton

  3.  Ann Callaway chr. 23 Feb 1745, Stratton

  4.  Elizabeth Callaway chr. 28 July 1753, Stratton

  5.  Honor Callaway chr. 18 Jan 1756

  6.  Honor Callaway chr. 9 Jan 1759 

John Callaway married Deborah Hamm, 1 Jan 1762, Poughill parish

  1.  Zechariah Callaway chr. 23 Oct 1762, Stratton [see Poughill]

  2.  John Callaway chr. Jan 1765, Poughill

  3.  Elizabeth Callaway chr. 22 Jan 1768, Poughill

  4.  Esther Callaway chr. 1 July 1770, Poughill     

  5.  Thomas Callaway chr. 14 Feb 1773, Poughill

  6.  Esther chr. 12 May 1775, Poughill

  7.  William chr. 2 May 1777, Poughill

  8.  Deborah Callaway chr. 29 Nov 1778, Poughill

  9.  Daniel Callaway chr. 16 Feb 1781, Poughill

  10. James Callaway chr. 7 Sept 1783, Poughill 

Stratton Hearth Tax, 1660-1664:

Rich. Callaway - 1)

Rich. Callaway Sr.)    poor by reason of poverty 

Richard Yeo - 2          not rated, poor 

Poughill Parish 

[borders Stratton on north] 

Marriages:

Zachary Callaway & Elizabeth Hodge, 9 Sept 1736, Poughill

John Callaway & Deborah Hamm, 1 Jan 1762, Poughill

Hester Kellaway & William Petherick, 6 Feb 1777, Poughill 

Zachary Callaway married Elizabeth Hodge, 9 Sept 1736, Poughill

  1. John Callaway chr. 15 July 1737 

William Callaway married Rachael ___?___

  1. John Callaway chr. 17 May 1867, Poughill

  2.  Mary Ann Callaway chr. Sept 1809, Poughill

  3.  Rachel Callaway chr. 19 April 1812, Poughill *

  4.  Deborah Callaway chr. 1 May 1814, Poughill **

  5.  William Callaway chr. 21 March 1816, Poughill

Note:  * Rachel Callaway may have had a daughter, Mary Elizabeth Callaway

                        chr. 14 Sept 1834, Poughill

         ** Deborah Callaway may have had a son, William Callaway, chr.

                        16 April 1837, Poughill 

John Calloway married Mary ___?___

  1.  Betsy Wonnacott Calloway chr. 10 May 1829, Poughill 

Morwenstow Parish 

[most northern parish in Cornwall; borders north side of Launcells & on the east, Devon] 

Marriages:

Ric. Callway & Agnes Neale (of Nicholas), 27 Oct 1606

Matthew Callaway of Stratton & Catherine Sherme, 10 Jan 1696

Mary Callway & Jn. Inch, 1772

Ann Calloway & Thos. Baker, 1785 

Minster Parish, Hundred of Lesneath 

Protestation Return, 1641:  Degory (X) Callaway 

Zachariah Callaway married Grace Ann Dinham [Durham?], 28 Nov 1765, Minster

  1.  Susanna Callaway chr. 6 March 1769, Forraberry;  md. William Symons, 16 June

1794, Forrberry

  2.  Zachariah Callaway chr. 15 Feb 1771, Forraberry* 

Note:  Forraberry is a small parish adjoining Minster on the west; along the coast. 

Zachariah Callaway, blacksmith (will 1837) d. 1839; married Mary Orchet, 20 Dec 1793,

Minster.

  1.  John Callaway (named in will)

  2.. William Callaway (named in will)

  3.  Robert Durham Callaway (named in will)

       Land in Boscastle, Minster. 

 

Tintagel Parish 

[adjoins Minster on west; along the coast] 

Richard Callaway married ___?___

  1. Margery Callaway chr. 1 March 1546 

Clemence Callaway married Alice ___?___;  d. (buried 17 Feb 1622, Tintagel

  1.  Thomas Callaway buried 28 Dec 1607, Tintagel

  2.  Elinor Callaway chr. 6 Feb 1608; buried 1608, Tintagel

  3.  Clemence Callaway (?) 

Clemence (Clement) Callaway married Patience Robyns, 6 Nov 1649, Tintagel

d. (buried 2 Sept 1658, Tintagel); [will: dated 4 Jan. 1657; pr. 21 Dec 1658 in London by Patience Callaway].  No children named in will (as such)

Bequests to:

- John Brown, elder, of Trevor, Tintagel & wife Elinor, and their children:

  a.  Margerie Browne

  b.  William Browne

  c.  Thomas Browne

- Grace Browne of Trevor

- Charles Browne

- Henry Browne 

Protestation Return, Tintgel, 1641:  Clemence (X) Callaway 

Baptisms, Tintagel 1669-1700  [Currer-Briggs notes]

1608  Elinor d/o Clemence Callaway bapt Feb 6 

Marriages, Tintagel, 1588-1700 

1649  Clemence Callaway & Patience Rodgers  Nov 6 

Burials, Tingagel  1546-1700 

1546  Margery d/o Richard Callaway buried March 1

1607  Thomas s/o Clement Callaway buried Dec 28

1622  Alice wife of Clemence Callaway buried Feb 17

1648  Elinor Callaway buried Dec 10

1658  Clement Callaway buried Sept 2 

Kilkhampton Parish 

[between Laucnells/Poughill & Morwenstow] 

Richard Callaway married ____?___

  1.  Augustine (male) Callaway chr. 30 Sept 1610 

John Callaway married Easter Shipard, 11 May 1709, Kilkhampton

  1.  John Callaway chr. 30 Feb 1710

  2.  Zachariah Callaway chr. 13 Sept 1713 

Poundstock Parish 

Marriages:

Richard Callaway & Honor Bray, 1 Sept 1653, Poundstock

John Callaway & Elizabeth Lloyd, 11 Feb 1796, Poundstock

John Callaway & Elizabeth Ham, 11 Aug 1833, Poundstock 

John Callaway, blacksmith, d. 1847, Poundstock  [Will]

            Estate to:         

                        Elizabeth Abscott, wife of James Bickford

                        Elizabeth Abscott Ham who “now dwells with me.”


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Mar 6, 2005
Subject: Callaways of Cornwall wills

CALLAWAY etc. WILLS PROBATED IN CORNWALL 1617-1847

 

Copies held by and interpreted by Bruce C. Callaway 1980

 

THOMAS CALWAY Yeoman of Lanivet (?Luxulyan)

 

Will signed  4 May 1617

Probate ?

Witnesses     David Carnohothy

                      Lofor Bushell

 

Legatees:      The poor of the parish one shilling

                       Bartholomew five pounds

                       Robert Dowling

                       Margaret Calway my wife

 

Notes: Bartholomew died a batchelor HMS BRISTOL St.Olaves, Southwark Surrey 27 May 1692 PCC1692/102 Pge 63 Journal

 

The rest of the will cannot yet be translated

 

WILLIAM CALLAWAY Yeoman, Parish of St.Kew

 

Will signed     5 Feb. 1619

Probate           April 1620

 

Legatees:       Daughter ANN

                        Son DANIEL forty shillings

                        Son RICHARD forty shillings

                        Son WILLIAM (executor) the rest of my money goods and chattels

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Parish of St. Neot

 

Will signed      8 Feb.1622

Probate           April 1623

Witnesses       William Motton

                        Johan Garth

                        Johan Shalve

 

Legatees:        Son ABELL

                         Son JOHN

                         Daughter JOAN

                         Son ROBART (Executor) Bequests not yet translated

 

HENRY CALWAY of St. Michael, Penkivel Letter of Administration 14 July 1626

 

JULIAN CALLAWAY (Female) of St.Michael Penkivel Letter of Admin.14 July 1635

 

List of Goods and Chattells by Son ROBERT

 

JOHN CALLAWAY the younger Parish of St. Neot

 

Will taken by word of mouth before Richard POMERY,John RICKARD,Edward KYLE, William BROOKE and “several others” on 21 Feb. 1674.

 

Probate to GEORGE CALLAWAY April 1674

Soul to Almighty God

Body to Christian burial

Wife JANE four pounds

The Child she be with three pounds.Edward KYLE’s children four shillings. My sister THOMASIN’s children six pounds

My father one grey suit of clothes. All the rest of my goods and chattels to my son GEORGE. Inventory total £33.19.8

 

THOMAS CALLAWAY  Yeoman Parish of St.Kew

 

Will signed 15 Jan. 1682

Probate to BARBARA CALLAWAY 18 Jan.1683

Witnesses RICHARD CALLAWAY

                   Gregory CANNLEY

 

To my grandson JOHN CALLOWAY forty shillings

To my youngest son THOMAS ten pounds

To my two eldest daughters ANN and PHILLIPA twenty pounds each

To JOHAN my youngest daughter twenty pounds

To my wife BARBARA and my eldest son WILLIAM the balance of my estate and joint executors

Inventory of goods and chattels total £121.12.00

 

JULIAN CALLAWAY of Lansallos

 

Letter of Admin.(mutilated) granted 1683 to PHILLIP CALLAWAY

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Yeoman of Duloe

 

Letter of admin and probate granted to ELIZABETH CALLAWAY his Relick 24 Oct.1688Inventory of goods and chattels made by Thomas STEPHENS Aug.1688 £80.11.06

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Yeoman of St.Kew

 

Letter of admin. Granted to BARBARA CALLAWAY his Mother Nov.1689

Witnessed by WILLIAM CALLAWAY

 

ZACHARIAH CALLAWAY Yeoman of Lancells

 

Letter of admin. To RICHARD CALLAWAY his son 1692

Inventory by William KIRK of Kilhampton and Nicholas BRADDON, yeoman of Launcells £31.08.08

 

MARY CALLAWAY of Stratton, Spinster

 

Will signed 8 July 1686

Witnessed by Elizabeth BARLOW

                       Robert SAUNDERS

Probate at Stratton 7 Feb.1700

Executrix HONOR CALLAWAY     To ZAKARY CALLAWAY my brother one shilling

                                                            To Catherine HILLARY my sister one shilling

                                                            To Margaret SHERME ? my sister one shilling

                                                            The rest to HONOR CALLAWAY my KINSWOMAN

 

ZACKARY CALLAWAY of Launcells

 

Letter of admin. To WILLIAM CALLAWAY his brother Oct. 1707

 

THOMAS CALLWAY Fuller, Town of St.Columb, Parish of St.Colum Major

 

Will signed 16 Nov.1711

Witnessed by John DAYE

                        Thomas MINOFF

Probate May 1712

 

To my grandson PETER CALLWAY £20

Grand-daughter JANE CALWAY £20

Sister JANE DARE twenty shillings

Residue to my son WILLIAM CALLWAY Executor

 

WILLIAM CALLAWAY Tayler of the Burrough of Truro

 

Will signed 9 June 1730

Witnessed Thomasin WILLIAMS

                  Elizabeth NICHOLLS

 

To my wife MARY

           Son ROBERT

           Daughter MARY

           Daughter  ELIZABETH all my household goods and money equally.

To my son ROBERT my dwelling house in CALE ?

Trustee my brother JOHN CALLAWAY

 

RICHARD CALLAWAY Yeoman of Chapple Park Parish of St.Kew

 

Will signed 22 April 1731

Witnessed Richard SOAM

                  Mary CALLAWAY

Buried 24 April 1731

 

To my two sons RICHARD and PHILLIP all my estate, goods and chattels except as below.

To my wife GRACE  one field of ground called CHAPPLE-PARK and the Marsh ajoining and one dwelling house wherein MRS WEBBER now lives and two pounds per year out of the Estate called KIRKENILL. To my daughter JOAN £20. RICHARD and PHILLIP to take their choice of a bed and a Crock each of them. The rest of my household goods divided between my wife, two sons and a daughter.

Inventory by Ezekioll WEBBER Gent and John WILLS Yeoman £127.06.00

 

Notes: Richard Callaway Yeoman married Grace HAMBLY 1 Jan.1713 St.Kew V6p.58

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Mariner from Truro on H.M.S.RYE. Capt. Thomas CRAVEN

 

Will signed 18 July 1746

Witnesses Thomas CRAVEN

                  Arundell ROGERS

Probate granted to MARY CALLAWAY widow of JAMES CALLAWAY appointed by JAMES CALLAWAY his Executrix 17 March 1747

 

All my Prize money, Bounty money and Shore allowance to my loving brother JAMES CALLAWAY of Truro County of Cornwall.

 

JAMES CALLAWAY Cooper of the Burrough of Truro

 

Will signed 3 Feb 1747

Wittnesses Michael JULIEF

                   Henri PAWLY

Probate to MARY CALLAWAY 7 March 1747

 

To MARY CALLAWAY my wife and my son GEORGE CALLAWAY all my goods and chattels and effects. I nominate my wife MARY CALLAWAY executrix.

 

WILLIAM CALLWAY Clothier, Parish of St.Columb Major

 

Will signed 5 March 1749

Probate to Exec. 27 Sept.1751

Witnesses Walter PETHERICK

                   Thos. BENNY

 

To my son PETER CALLWAY, two tenements, one call HICKS’ TENEMENT and JOLLY’S TENEMENT situate in the fields of GLUVIAN in the Parish of ST.COLUMB with all its appurtenances, but if he should die unmarried these rights to my daughter JANE CHALLWAY (sic) Also to PETER CALLAWAY (sic) Ten Pounds.

To my son in law JAMES OLIVER one shilling and no more and likewise one shilling to each of his three sons JAMES OLIVER NATHANIEL OLIVER and WILLIAM OLIVER, and no more.

To my daughter JANE CALLWAY all my rights in TREGATILIAN in St. Columb. All else to my daughter JANE CALLWAY.

 

ANTHONY CALLAWAY Tinner of REDRUTH County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 6 Dec. 1762

Witnesses A. JOHNS

                  Sarah THOMAS

Probate to exec. REDRUTH 15 May 1764

 

To my son WILLIAM CALAWAY (sic) twenty pounds and the two eastern rooms of the house I now dwell in and also one half of the other premises thereunto belonging (The Stable excepted).

To my Daughter JANE MaHONEY £20.

To my Daughter ELIZABETH DAWE ¢20

My wife ELIZABETH CALAWAY (sic) may live with and be maintained by my executor. If she lives elsewhere £4 per year by quarterly payments.

To the children of my son WILLIAM 3 guineas share & share alike.

To the children of my daughter MaHONEY 4 guineas share & share alike

To the children of my daughter DAWE 2 guineas

To THOMASIN STEPHENS wife of Wm STEPHENS one guinea

To CHRISTIAN daughter of ANTHONY JOHNS £1.16.0

All else to my son ANTHONY CALLAWAY and appoint him executor.

 

Notes: Anthony Callaway married Elizabeth TRAHAR Redruth 15 Aug.1739 V.19 p.12

           Anthony his son married Margery BOLITHO 18 Sept 1749 Redruth V.9 p.16

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Yeoman Parish of St. Kew

 

Will signed 28 April 1775Probate to exec. 2 June 1775

Witnesses Thos. TREFFRY

                  Walter TREFFRY

                  Richard WEBB

 

To my son JOHN CALLAWAY £10 and the house and garden I now live in and £3 a year out of my estate.

To JOHN CALLAWAYS three children MARY WILLIAM & JOHN one half guinea each.

To CORDELLA WORDEN my daughter the house and garden we now live in during her life with the use of the household goods. She pays £3 yearly to my executor.

To my daughter JANE GORDE one guinea.

To RICHARD CALLAWAYs children JANE CORDELLA ELIZABETH MARY and RICHARD one half guinea each

To my son RICHARD CALLAWAY my loans, mortgages and Tenements and appoint him Executor

 

Notes: Cordella Callaway married John Worden 16 July St.Kew Parish V.6 p.65

 

MOSES CALLAWAY Innkeeper Parish of St.Erth County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 19 May 1788

Witnesses Francis EDWARDS

                  Hu GIDDY

Probate 15 July 1788

                                      Oath of affirmation as Executor by John GRENFELL, Quaker and sworn by Executor Hugh

                                      EDWARD.

                                      JOHN CALLAWAY appointed Guardian of Children

                                    

                                      To GRACE my wife one third part of all my Estate & effects, money goods & chattels.

                                      The remaining two thirds to Hugh EDWARDS and John GRENFELL of St.Ives,Gentlemen,

                                      In trust with my wife for the sole benefit of my two children MOSES & ELIZABETH until they

                                      Attain their 21 years.

 

JAMES CALLAWAY  of CUBERT, County of Cornwall

 

Letter of admin granted to JOANNA CALLAWAY the Widow Relick of the deceased 10 May 1789 Witnessed by William THOMAS and William PETHERICK

 

JOSEPH CALLAWAY Mariner Parish of St.Columb Major

 

Will signed 27 May 1799

Witnesses Edward ARTHUR

                  William DREW

Probate granted St. Columb Major 16 Nov.1799

 

All Prize money and other sums of money to my Brother ARTHUR CALLAWAY of PLYMOUTH DOCK, County of DEVON and to my Sister MARY CALLAWAY of the Parish of St.Columb Major divided equally. Appoint said Brother and Sister Executors.

 

PHILIP CALLAWAY Yeoman, Parish of GULVAL County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 10 Dec.1818

Witnessed Judy CORIN

                  Thomas BOND

Probate 2 June 1825

 

To my son PHILIP £20 and all my wearing apparel, linen and woollen

To my daughter ELIZABETH the wife of John CORIN £15

To my Daughter SARAHA Wife of John PEARCELL one pound one shilling

To my Grand-daughter MARY ANN PEARCE CALLAWAY The book I am now possessed of called the Life of Christ.

Residue of Lands, Tenements, Leasehold Bills, Bonds, Notes, Money goods & chattels to my Son MOSES. I appoint MOSES executor.

 

WILLIAM CALLAWAY Miller, Parish of St.Stithians County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 26 March 1833

Witnesses John BATH

                  Henry MARTIN

Probate to MARY TREREN (sic) Wife of THOMAS TREWREN the daughter of the deceased and sole Executrix 9 Oct.1833                             To my daughter ELIZABETH one shilling if demanded by her.

                                            To my Sister JOHANNA, her maintenance as long as she shall live with my Executrix.

                                            Residue to my daughter MARY the wife of THOMAS TREWREN or if she should

                                            Predecease me the residue to her daughter MARY ANN TREWREN.

 

ZACHARIAH CALLAWAY Blacksmith, Parish of MINSTER County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 1 Oct.1837

Witnesesses Frances D. ROWE

                      John SCOTT

                      Martha ROWE

Probate to WILLIAM CALLAWAY of Minster, Blacksmith and ROBERT DUIHAM CALLAWAY of Lesneth in Cornwall, Yeoman 23 Sept.1839. Testator died 19 May 1839

 

                                              To JOHN CALLAWAY my son £5

                                              To WILLIAM CALLAWAY my son all of that Dwelling house with the garden and all

                                               Appurtanences in the town of BOSCASTLE parish of Minster also one half part of a

                                               Leasehold Tenement known by the name of CANNONS tenement also one half part   of

                                               COMB HILL paying from the two tenements as long as they live on the same £4.15.0

                                               Per year to ROBART D. CALLAWAY his brother or his heirs, I appoint WILLIAM

                                               CALLAWAY and my son ROBERT DUIHAM CALLAWAY executors. The residue

                                               Equally between them.

 

JOHN CALLAWAY Blacksmith, Parish of Poundstock County of Cornwall

 

Will signed 7 Sept.1847

Witnesses James WEBB

                  Jesse WEBB

Died 7 Sept.1847

Probate granted to ELIZABETH ARSCOTT wife of JAMES BICKFORD 16 Nov.1847 Effects under £20

 

To ELIZABETH ARSCOTT HAM who now lives with me all my goods and effects.


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 8, 2005
Subject: will of John Kayleway & will of John C/K of Cullompton, Devon

Hi all, I found the attached file on my computer, and tho' most of us have dealt with it before, it may add perspective to the letter we are attempting to decipher. Also, the will of John C/K of Cullompton, Devon, once again, may help.
  Sherrill

Will of John Kayleway of Cullompton, Devon         [P.C.C. Thower 3] 

In the name of god amen the thirteen day of February in the yere of our lord god a thousand fyve hundred and thirtie I John Kayleway in my hole and perfect mynde make and declare my testament and last will in mayner and forme following -

First  I bequeath my soule to almighty god my maker and my body to be buried in holy [_____] in any church or churchyd where it shall please almighty god and I bequeath to the highcross light our lady light Saint John’s light Saint Nicholas light Jesus light euriche [or each] of them in the parish church of Colompton and to the store of the same church of Colompton vjs. viid. [6 shillings 8 pence].

Item  I bequeath to the store of St. George’s chapel at Peryholde  xxd.

          Also I will and bequeath that if Jane my wife make assurance of all her manors messuages lands tente. rents, etc and of all other her inheritances in the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Southampton and Dors. to Sir Giles Strangewaies knight, John Rowe Serjeant at the Lawe, John Skewys and Simon Cayleway my feoffees or the the more part of them and to their heires to the use of the said Jane my wife during her life the remainder thereof to th’use of George Kaylway sonne and heire of the said John Kaylway and Jane and to the heires of the body of the said George lawfully begotten and for default of yssue of the bodye of the said George lawfully begotten to remain to the said Jane and to the heires of her bodie lawfully begotten in divers remainders over and according to an indenture bearing date the xxth day of October in the yere of our lord god a Thousand fyve hundred xxix And in the xxj yere of the Reyne of King Henrie the eighth wherein I have declared my will of all myne inheritances then I will my said wife have twoo hundred poundes in mony.

Item  I bequeath to the said Jane my wife all my household stuffe as hereafter folowithe that is to say all bedding hangings of house  cuppes?  condit? salters  sponys  carpetts  cushions  broches  potts  panes  basons  vessels  dishes candlesticks  wode  horses and other bestes and chaines of goulde except such thinges thereof as I will hereafter give away to anie other p’sonne or p’sonnes provided always that the said Jane my wife shall thereof delyver a bedd p’formed with all man’r of stuffe p’teynning to a bedd and hanginges for a chamber to my sonne and heire to lye thereon during the tyme that he is at his larning.

It.  I bequeath to Marye thelder,  Anne, Elizabeth, Mary the younger, Catherine, Florence and Agnes my daughters euriche [or each] of them not maryed before the tyme of my decease twoo hundred marks in lawfull money of England if they be ordered and ruled in their marriage by myne executors or the more p’te [part] of them  to be payd to them at the day of their marriage And if it happens any of the said daughters to decease before she be maryed or else to be professed in Religion then my will that all such mony as she to be paid to her so deceased or professed shall go to my executors towards the p’formance of my last will.

It.  I bequeath to Symon Kayleway my cousin and servant xxx pounds in mony to helpe to be free and freman in the Staple of Calles [Calais].

Item  I bequeath to William Tourner my servant x pounds

Item  I bequeath to servants of my household therewith that shalbe in service at the tyme of my decease  vjs. viijd.

Item   I bequeath to Robert Wellegh  John Smythe  Humfrey Eggebastian  Henry Canford  John Edmundes of Colompton eueriche [or each] of them  vjs. viijd.

Item  I bequeath to Sir Thomas Steevin  vjs. viijd.

Item  to Sir John Quicke  vjs. viijd.

Item  to John Mannyng the younger  vjs. viijd.

Item  to Agnes Gatour  vjs. viijd.

Item  to Sir Willyam Smythe  Xs.

Item  to John Wytton of London  vjs. viijd.

Item  to his wife Margery  vjs. viijd.

Item  to John Hill of London merchaunt of the Staple at Calles [Calais]  Xs.

Item  to David Wodrow   vjs. viijd.

Item  to Richard Petrike merchaunt of the Staple at Calles  XXs.

Item  I bequeath to the parish churches of Kentisbere, Brodwode kelleigh and Yessleigh euriche [or each] of them  vjs. viijd.

Item  I bequeath to heyre or heyres, that ought to be eight heyres of blood unto Thomas Moys sometime of Colehouse in the parish of Brodwode Kelleigh in the county of Devon to helpe his heires to purchase landes or other messuages to hym thereunto  x poundes in mony.

Item  I bequeath to the store of John Tann’rs chauntrye in the parish church of Colompton toward the finding of the priest wages?  iv pounds of mony upon consideration that Wyllyam Huntingdon and his executors may be discharged of and to and as that the said Wyllyam Hundingdon remaynethe for debt in the boke of accountes of the said John Tanner’s chauntry upon the said Wyllyam Hundtingdon and his executors and assigns.

Item  I bequeath to twoo houses of Friars Observant of Greenwich & Richmond and to their convents eueriche [or each] of the said houses XX pounds and to pray for the soule of one James Whiting.

Item  I bequeath to an honest? priest to be named by myne executors  X poundes  And the said priest to pray for the soule of one John Gibbes --- all which legacies and bequests and bequeaths before written I wish that yt shalbe payed of any wooll and fells in the Staple of Calais and of all my goodes and chattels not given or bequeathed shall go and be unto John Row serjeant at lawe, Thomas Sydenham of Culmestoke, John Drake of Exmouth and Robert Hone of Oke Saint Mary to pay my debts and to dispense yt  after then? desecesant?  And the said John  Rowe  Thomas Sydenham  John Drake and Robert Hone I make and ordain myne executors provided always that if said executors or any of them or my feoffees or any of them be troubled payed for  that my will and testament or for defense of my lands or my will of my landes declared  Then I will that their charges thereof be borne of my landes and goodes   To these witnesses  Sir Thomas Preston, clerke, Master Robert Wilcokes priest, Sir Thomas Stevens priest, Sir Willyam Smythe, William Tournour, Symon Keylway and others   I doe under my signature and seale the day and yere above written per me - 

            John Rowe   Thomas Sydenham    John Drake     Robert Hone 

Probatum (in Latin).    19 April 1531 by John Wright proxy for the executors.


Symon 2 

            As previously stated, it was not possible to perfectly distinguish between the records of Simon 1 and Simon 2, particularly in the period just prior to the death of Symon 1.  The same situation may apply to the records of Symon 2 and Symon 3.

            Another “fact” may be emerging.  The descent of the moiety in the rectory and vicarage of the church at Collumpton may suggest that Simon 1 became the “next male heir” after the death of John and Joan C/K’s son, George.  The following item should confirm that John C/K of Collumpton possessed such rights to the church. 

[Calendar of Patent Rolls, 6 Elizabeth: Part X]

#757.  29 Jan. 1564.  Hertford Castle.   Grant in fee simple to Robert Freke and John Walker of London of the reversions and rents of the lands comprised in leases, with reservations, as follows --

            [There were 7 properties involved; (i) and (ii) concerned lands in Iwerne Courtney.]

(iii)  By patent, 5 June Edw. VI, to John Moore, knight, of the Rectory of Columpton, Co. Devon, late of the Priory of St. Nicholas, Exeter, and late in the tenure of John Colaway alias Keilwaye and afterwards in that of Thomas Warren, for 21 years from Michaelmas then next at a yearly rent of 31l.

            [Following (vii) is the following]:

            Also grant of --(1) the Manor of Iwerne Courtney, late of the said Earl of Devon, and the premises in (i) and (ii) above;  (2) the said Rectory of Upton Wever alias Columpton;  (3) the advowson of the Vicarage of Upton Wever alias Columpton.....and numerous other properties. 

            Finally, to add some additional perspective to this family, the following is of interest:  Devon P.C.C. Wills.

1606.  The last will of Catherine Lady “More” of Cullompton, dated 26th April 1606.  Desires to be buried in the parish church, and leaves for the reparation thereof 10s., and to the poor 6s. 3d.  To Robert Denys 10s.

            Residue to my servants, “Mr. Thomas Tryslade and Mrs. Shepherd,” who are sole executors.

Proved June 1606.

Note:  The personal effects of Testator were valued at L21. 6s. 1d., inclusive of two horses and a mare, which were valued at L5.  She was the widow of Sir John Moore of Moorhays, and the daughter of Sir Thomas Pomeroy of Berry, by Jane, daughter of Sir Piers Edgcombe. 

1588.  [The Parliamentary Representation of Devon & Dorset, 1559-1661, by Roberts, John Charles, May 1958 (a thesis submitted for the Degree of Master of Arts in the University of London.]  (Devon & Cornwall Record Society-Q; copy located in D & C RS collection, West Country Studies Library, Exeter, Devon).

Kelway, Simon (d. c1624) of Cullompton -   Totnes  1588

            S. & h. of Simon Kelway, merchant of Cullompton, and Joan, a. of............ Prob. grandson of John Kelloway, merchant of the Staple of Calais. (!)  Other branches of the family lived in Dorset and Gloucestershire; and perhaps also in West Devon (Kelly) [Vivian 510-512].  The Kelways were related to the Grenvilles, Drakes, Wadhams and Courtenays.  By his first mar. before 1580, the M.P. had a son Francis.  Mar. 2ndly Edith widow of John Antony, at Exeter in 1598 [Devon Notes & Queries, x-321] and 3rdly Mary, da. of..........

            Giles Kelway of Stroud, Gloucestershire [?Somerset.?......SUW], bought a Launceston rectory which was leased to Sir Gawen Carew whose friend Sir John More, in 1559, granted the parsonage of Cullompton to Simon Kelway the elder, who regranted it [Act Book of Bishop of Exeter 1555-1564 f 42 (at Dioc. Registry)];  in that year this Kelway and George Cockeram, of Cullompton, appear together on a Pardon Roll; two years later they were granted a pardon for carrying money out of the realm.  When the elder Simon made his will in 1569 he described himself as a trader in overseas parts.  He left bequests to the church, the poor and to servants.  He had a sister, a married son William and left his widow and his son Simon to be executors.

            By the will Simon Kelway was to give a bond in L300 to pay an annuity to his mother, and another in 1,000 marks to pay another to his brother William, and his children, if any.  Joan Kelway, who was granted for life a manor-house at Kingsmill, was to “supporte, beare and fynde....competent meate, drinke, howse roome and lodging” there for her son Simon and any wife of his.

            The M.P. inherited the rectory and parsonage of Cullompton and some trouble with it.  Sir John More, an unquiet man, brought a Chancery case against George Cockeram and Joan Kelway about some timber that her husband had sold him [Eliz. Chanc. ii 246]; and she with her son, brought another Chancery action, about the Vicarage, against Laurence Tilliard.  In 1584 the M.P. bought out Robert Freke and another London speculator who then held a part-share in the Rectory; two years later he sold it to William Every of Chard for L1,000.  In 1573 Kelway and Cockeram had been noted as patrons of the living, and Kelway was still patron in 1601 [Oliver, Ecclesiastical Antiquities, i-115].

            There are few signs of the M.P.’s activities locally, although he was assessed to provide two light horses for musters in Hayridge Hundred in 1583 [S.P. 12/162/36].  In 1598 he sent his son Francis to Oxford [Al. Ox. 1500-1714, p. 840];  and a few years later, when he and other Cullompton men sold a messuage for L80 one witness was Robert Cockram, perhaps a son of his old friend [E. S. Chalke, Kentisbere Hundred (1934), p. 24].  Three years later there is a mention of John, son of Simon Kelway, a son who does not appear in the M.P.’s will.

            By 1623, when he came to make his will, the M. P. was living at Dawlish, where he asked to be buried; but he left L10 to the church at Cullompton.  He made provision for a former servant, John Thomas, who was a surgeon, and now served William Every, the purchaser of the rectory: Every having a house on condition that he looked after his servant.  The M. P. himself had a considerable interest in surgery and medicine, for he left half his instruments and drugs to John Thomas, and the remainder, together with his French books on these subjects, to his son Francis Kelway.  His armour and pistols were to be divided between his friend Sir William Courtenay and his son Francis Courtenay. 

1593.  [Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries, Vol. 13 (1913), p. 217.

            Simon Kellwaye, in 1593, wrote the earliest systemic essay on smallpox & refers to the abundant late experience, as well his own as others (Creighton, ‘History of Epidemics in England’). 

1596/97.  [Will of John Gregory of Uffcolme, Devon] -  Simon Kellway of Collumpton to “keep” the son of John Gregory. 

1601.  Simon Keleway, gent. - Patron of Cullompton. 

1603/04.  Bill of Adventure [Copy from Dorset Record Office: DI: 10, 939]

     Mr. Davidge and Mr. Woodroff bill of adventure 20 March 1613 -

“Be it knowen unto all men by these p’sents that wee Lawrence Davidge of Waymouth Melcombe Rege in the county of Dorset marchaunt and Jespar Wardroffe of the county of Somerset merchaunt Being bound.........in a trade of merchandise for the West Indies and Islands of the same in a good shipp called the Edward of Waymouth and Melcombe Rege. aforesaid have receaved of Symon Kelway of Cullompton in the countie of Devon gent. thirtene poundes of lawfull Englyshe money as an adventure in the saide voage which the saide Lawrence davidge and Jespar Woodroffe and others of us doe by theis p’sent bynd ourselves our executors and administrators and the executors and administrators of others of us to geve a true account, and del’d into the hands of the said Symon Kelwaie his executors and administrators all profitts, etc.  whatsoever, as the said voage shall anywaie bring or assure rateable according to his said adventure and as farr forth as any other adventurer whatsoever to be delivered unto the saide Symon Kelway his executors, etc... by us the said Lawrence Davidge and Jespar Woodroffe and the executors and administrators of other of us, In witness whereof we have hereunto sett our hand & seals and delivered it as our deed the 15th daie of Februarie in the first yeare of the Raigne of our Soveraigne lord Kinge James of England France and Ireland and of Scotland the seven & thirteth.                      (s)  La: Davidge

                                                                            Jespar Woodroff

Signed sealed & del.

in the presence of

Fransys Kelwaye, John Evanes

            ......that the moytie of this bill with such profitts, etc...............delivered unto me.............who hathe payde me the on[e] halfe of the adventure the 7 of aprill 1604 -

                                                                        (s)  Sym: Kellwaye 

1604.  Bond [Copy from Dorset Record Office: D-1: 10, 937]

            Obligation of Morgan Moone of Bridpord in co. Dorset due to Symon Kellway gent of Kingsmill.

            [The “bill” is in Latin]

The condition of this present obligation is such that if for abovenamed bounden Morgan Moone his executors administrators or assignes doe paye or cause to be payde unto the abovenamed Symon Kellwaye his executors administrators & assigns the full & just summe of fower pounds ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ of current Englishe moneye at one whole entire payement at or upon the last daye of December next ensuing the date hereof, at or in the mansion & now dwelling house of the above sayde Symon Kellwaye at Kingsmill that then this obligation to be void & no effect........................

                                                                                    per me  Morgan Moone

Wits:  Fransys Kelway, John Evanes 

1622/23.  Will of Simon Kelway of Dawlish, Gent.    P.C.C. 63 Swann

            Will dated 26 Feb’y. 1622/3.  Proved 14 June 1623 by William Every: oath coram Johanne Bury Rectore de Kittesford. 

To be buried in the parish church of Dawlish in the North Aisle where I usually sit. 

To the reparacon thereof 6/8. 

To the Vicar & churchwardens of Cullompton L10 upon good security to be given by them to Robert Northeligh of Alsington Gent;  William Sumpter of Cullompton Merchant & their heirs to be lent to 10 poor people yearly. 

To my wife Mary Kelway, one feather bed performed where she now lieth &c. 

To William Every of Cotthay co. Somerset Esqre., all the right which I have in the house in the east end of the parish church of Cullompton & 3 closes of land called Croochetts Hams now in the occupation of Mary Wood widow of Humfrey Wood, blacksmith, dec’d, on condition that he allows an estate which I have heretofore made unto my late servant John Thomas of Northam chirurgion, for 99 years on lives of him the said John Thomas, Thomas Leigh & George Gifford as by my deed dated 10 Aug last past appeareth. 

To my honorable friend Sr. William Courtenay Kt. my horseman’s armour & case of pistols & Spanish Pike. 

To Francis Courtenay Esqure., my plate doublet or armour of proof, & my holbeard, for a memorial of me. 

To Richard Carpenter clerk now Vicar of Cullompton my book of Juell & Harding. 

To John Marker clerk now vicar of Dawlish 40/- to be bestowed in some good books of religion, also one birding-piece. 

To my son Francis Kelway, all my French books of Physic & Chirurgery & the books called Pigo & Galls works & one book of Arrens Works & one book called Clowes works of Chirurgery & one book called the Method of Physic & half of my instruments, waters, compositions & drugs. 

To William Sumpter of Cullompton my black cloak lined with black coney fur. 

To my late servant John Thomas of Northam Chirurgion all my books of Physic & Chirurgery which are in English except those given to my son, also the other half of my instruments &c., & my jerkin & breeches of wrought velvet & my black satine doublet thereunto belonging. 

To my son-in-law [stepson, here]Edward Anthony of Exon Goldsmith my black gown faced before with black velvet. 

To the preacher that shall make a funeral sermon for me, one book called Phitarch’s Morals. 

To my son Francis Kelway, the residue of my apparel 

To Mr. Anthony Salter of Exon, Apothecary, L10. 

To my old friend Thomas Moore of London Draper 40/- for a gold ring. 

To each of my late wife’s children which she had by her former husband John Anthony, 40/- for gold rings. 

To my old servant John Roxter 40/- 

To my old servants which shall be in covenant with me at my death 10/- apiece. 

Residue to William Every of Cotthaie co. Somerset Esqre. whom I make my exor. 

Overseers:  my good friends Robert Northeligh & William Sumpter of Cullompton Merchant. 

Testators:  Robert Northleigh, Johannes Marker, John Thomas, Richard Hingstone. 

            So, who is Sir William Courtenay & son, Francis?  Simon calls him “friend” in his will.  Sir William has an interesting biography which I will share with you in my next posting.  Perhaps that will provide additional perspective regarding this family.
SUW


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 8, 2005
Subject: Simon letter - in perspective

Hi all
Once again we can only be amazed by your resources, and research, Sherrill.

Looking at John of Cullompton's will again, we see that young George was to inherit his father's property.  I had assumed that, following his
presumed demise, the older sisters would have been the eventual beneficiaries but, as Sherrill says, Simon was probably the closest male
relative.  Despite the evidence of the will, Simon therefore could well have become the main beneficiary. (Called cousin, without uncovering further evidence, we can assume they shared the same grandfather, someone born around 1440-50.  We could look for possibilities, probably in Devon, but may not have much success. Both may even have descended from the principal family generations before)

It is interesting that John was a wool merchant, and may himself have actually been the generator of the wealth, rather than any family
inheritance.  We have little evidence of commercial activities by the C/K families in the 1400s.  The principal families were presumably
rural - but perhaps not entirely.  We know family members were involved with shipping as early as 1300, possibly even earlier.  The Rockbourne knights were definitely prominent later in London, and had property in Calais about the same time as John. What effect the loss of Calais to the French had, we can only guess, but Simon was described as John's cousin and "servant" - he was to receive £30 to "helpe to be free and freeman in the staple of Calles".  Rather than suggesting he was some sort of bonded servant to John, this would seem to be assisting him to assume merchant status in Calais. There would be little difficulty later, if he was the principal inheritor. Simon, or his descendants, evidently lived on the Devon coast at Dawlish, facilitating commercial interests abroad. I have not yet located the Kingsmill manorhouse.

The 1958 Thesis by Mr Roberts evidences the usual difficulties over the name.  It seems he misread the grandson status of Simon 1, but provides further information on the family.  What happened to Simon's son Francis? - I see a Frauncis c later at Dolton in 1634.  Also, in
addition to his son Simon, there was another "married" son William.  The old association with the Courtenay family is still evident.  He refers
to the Kelly family in Devon.

Hopefully we may be able to track John and Simons family much further - to the present?
All good stuff.
Warwick


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 9, 2005
Subject: Letter to Mr. Kellwaye May 1607

Folks,
I would like to claim this as my own work, but 'tis not so.

My friend Anita is a local historian with some palaeographical experience, and I showed her the Kellwaye letter. I did not show her our various
efforts except for a few early pencil marks of my own. See attached her solution - after two days! She does not guarantee it of course, but this
letter does make a lot of sense. [The blue bits in square brackets are my additions.]

See if you agree. She hasn't returned my original yet, so I cannot comment.

If you wish to make your own effort first, do as they say when the BBC News precedes the replay of a football match: "If you don't want to know the result, look away now."
Bill

Letter to Mr Kellwaye, 5 May 1607 

Good Mr Kellwaye yor letter, sent by my cus John Chapel

I have received sorowynge to heare that he prevethe no better

then you wryte of. Wch causethe me to be unwilenge to

have to dooe wth hym either for placynge hym nere mee or

else where. xx l 9s his money hathe been alreadye bestow [20 pounds 9 shillings]

for placinge of hym wch I wishe had be putt to better

use, I have willed him to returne to his brother in lawe

to be placed there as he seemed to undertake to dooe

when he had the x l from you, and that x l was borrowed [10 pounds]

of the money dewe to his sister Alice from Mr Cooke. Mr

Cooke shoulde have pd other x l att Cristmas last and it

to paye nowe att Mydsumer xx l to her brotheres.

I besetche you to bee ernest for the havynges thereof and if

he paye hit not to geve content, I desire you to [not to express satisfaction?]

certyfye me of his omisceene and whether you think [omission?]

not best than to putt hit and Mr Cockorams bonde Mr Sir

made for the payment thereof. For unlesse that money

maye bee had the brotheres have not any lefte for

placynge Mr Michale ?? Nymxe ?? them wch I we be I thincke

of, and a great faulte maye be imputed but ys if

the money may not bee had to supplye there wantes,

wherefore good Mr Kellewaye I besetche you wthe Mr

Peter be ernest wth Mr Cooke that the sume maye be

pd to serve his and oure credyttes. His bondes together

wth the bond that you wryte for, I wyll send by the

next convenient messenger. I thancke you for that

goodwill in wishinge mee a good bargen concernynge the

shyppe you wryte of but trewlye I minde not hereafter [truly]

I troubell my self with any more, and if I did, ye

that wch you wryte of is not fytte for Sr Harborowe

nespete of her byggnes./ And that with much

and my maysters hartye summe  account brot you and I yet

good wylle with newe businise of the like thancke for

manye kindnes received I leave to troubell

you this monthe the vth of Maye 1607.

Yours ever to his power.

Tho: Leighe.


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 11, 2005
Subject: George and Sarah

Dear Sherrill,
Yesterday I renewed my reader's ticket at the British Library, so it there is anything in future that you need me to check I can do it there. (Like the Library of Congress the BL has a copy of everything that is published, though you're supposed to try other sources first.) There is an on-line catalogue so you can check availability and I can reserve the book from home. I had to wait for an hour to get the book I wanted yesterday.

I am researching another family, Drought, and writing up the story of the Rev Robert Drought. I discovered by chance that he had had a hand in
producing a book in 1802 which was in the BL. It's a translation of Greek poems by his cousin. The foreword contains a biography of his cousin, so I
couldn't let that pass, especially as I states that I am descended from the bastard son of Louis XIV.

The transcription took me another hour, so it was well into the afternoon when I got to the SoG. What the SoG has that London Met. Archives does not is/are indexes. I found that George Kellaway married Sarah Sargant at St George in the Borough (i.e. St George Southwark) in 1788.

There's no certainty that's our family, but it fits so neatly, we must regard it as highly likely. These churches are within walking distance of
each other in an area that at the time was densely populated.

(Actually I got that from Pallett's index at Ancestry.com!) That's how Sarah's surname is spelt, and I wonder if the "g" should be soft.

Unfortunately the SoG does not have the registers or the film thereof, and by that time it was too late to go up to the Archives. So that is for "next
time", in the hope that the entry gives enough information to proceed further.

I believe that Thomas (son of the hoped-for George and Sarah) had no siblings baptised at St Mary, Newington.
Best wishes.
Bill


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 13, 2005
Subject: Will of George Kellaway, Carpenter, St Mary, Newington - 1816

This afternoon I purchased and downloaded from NA (PRO) the will of George Kellaway, Carpenter of St Mary Newington, dated 8 Feb 1816. I believe this is our man. His wife was Sarah; he had 2 sons: Thomas and George. He had a fair amount of property by freehold and leasehold, from the profits of which he bequeathed his wife Sarah one hundred pounds annually. His property seemed to be situated around Walworth. I have transcribed all but a page and a half (a lot of legalize). I may need some help with locations of the property, and the names of tenants and his Trustees and Executors. I will send a transcription as soon as I finish and get it typed up. I will also attempt to send a copy of the actual will (I think it "saved" okay, but have not checked that out). With Bill's find of the marriage of George Kellaway to Sarah Sargant (with a "soft G")in 1788, we are making progress. Now we need to find some record of "son George" around Surrey. Thanks to Lesley for the list of Kellaway wills. I went to the NA website and searched on all the C/K spellings I could think of. Got a number of interesting will references, many duplicates of wills we already have, but also some other interesting ones. Will try to type up a list for you shortly.
Sherrill


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 15, 2005
Subject: Will of George Kellaway

Dear All,

    Here is a synopsis of George Kellaway's will. I will need your assistance on some of the names, as I am quite unfamiliar with the names of persons around Newington parish; also the names of some of the streets in Walworth may be questionable, but those familiar with the area may be able to recognize the locations.
 
Will of George Kellaway, 8 Feb 1816  [PROB 11/1577 - PRO/NA film reference number]
 
"In the Name of God Amen I George Kellaway of East Lane Walworth in the parish of Saint Mary Newington in the county of Surrey Carpenter, being of sound and disposing mind, etc....."
 
"Whereof I am seized of or well intitled to three freeholds, messuages, tenements, hereditaments & premises situate in...
- Sun Street East Lane Walworth aforesaid at the yearly value of forty two pounds & now in the tenure or occupation of Thomas Kellaway, Jane Estwood & James Sigle? [Seigle?] and -
- also of equible part of freehold Ground situate in North Street & Sun Street, Walworth, now in the tenure or occupation of Mr. William ?Wilson? and held by him under or by virtue of a Lease thereof granted to him by me for a term of sixty years from Midsummer day next at the yearly Rent of twenty four pounds payable quarterly -
-a Leasehold messuage or tenement situate in Providence Street, Walworth Common of the yearly value of twenty eight pounds eighteen shillings now in the occupation of John K__vos(t?)? -
- a Leasehold, etc. in South Street East Lane aforesaid of the yearly value of one hundred and thirty four pounds seven shillings now in the several occupations of Alfred ?Arnold?, William Wood, [blank space} Baker, James Bragg, Mary Tramplin?, [blank space] Gatty? -
-one Leasehold, etc. situate in Phoenix Street East Lane aforesaid of the yearly value of thirty one pounds ten shillings now in the occupation of John Davis -
-one Leasehold, etc situate in London Street St George's Field in the said county of Surrey of the yearly value of twenty pounds four shillings now in the occupation of John L(S?)ar?wood -
-a leasehold, etc situate in York Street Saint George's Fields aforesaid of the yearly value of twenty seven pounds fourteen shillings now in the occupation of William Bagout (Bogart?), Thomas Pemberton, [blank space] Showell (Howill?), Agnes Farray & Thomas Kelly -
-Ground Rent owing from S___voss? in York Street aforesaid of the yearly value eight pounds & eight shillings -
-leasehold Gardens situate in Pleasant? Row aforesaid of the yearly value of seven pounds & thirteen shillings now in the occupation of [blank space] Humphreys? & [blank space] Fry -
    From the rents, etc. of those properties, an annuity of 100 pounds lawful money of Great Britain annually was to be paid to wife, Sarah, on a quarterly basis "for the term of her natural life (if she shall continue so long my widow but not otherwise) by Trustees appointed: James Tronow? and Joseph Sheppard.  "I also give and bequeath unto my said wife Sarah Kellaway the use of all my said household Goods & furniture together with all and every my moveable effects of what nature and kind during her natural life in case she shall live so long & continue my widow & in case of her intermarriage again then I will and decree that she shall no longer enjoy the use of them but the same shall be divided between my two sons Thomas Kellaway & George Kellaway equally share & share aliike."
    Item  I also will & direct that my said Trustees & Extrs or the survivors of them, etc. will & do from out of the Rents Issues & profits of my Freehold & Leasehold messuages, tenements or premises together with my outstanding debts when collected pay off satisfy & discharge all arrears of Ground Rent that may be due for or in respect of my said messuages, tenements, etc. & their expenses of keeping the same in repair"......."in case such Rents & profits of my said Freehold & Leasehold premises & my said outstanding debts shall not be sufficient for the above purpose then to sell or dispose of any or such parts of my said Leasehold, etc. as in the discretion of them my said Trustees will be thought sufficient to answer the purpose, but in case the same shall be more than sufficient to answer the purposes aforesaid then I direct my said Trustees & Exors. to divide such surplus to & among my two sons Thomas & George Kellaway equally share & share alike & from the decease of my wife or in the event of her intermarriage again then upon Trust to pay the said Rents & profits of my said Freehold and Leasehold messuages, etc. ......equally to my two sons Thomas Kellaway & George Kellaway during their joint lives share & share alike.............but in case my said son Thomas Kellaway shall happen to depart this life I do hereby direct my said Trustees & Extrs. according to the best of their judgment & belief subject to the payment of my said debts & claims on my Estate as aforesaid to divide the same into two equal moieties & to hold the same In Trust as to one moiety thereof to collect & receive the profits appertaining or belonging to such a moiety & to pay the same unto the wife of the said Thomas Kellaway to enable her to support herself & her children or any said child or children of Thomas Kellaway for & during the term of her natural life & from and immediately after her decease then upon Trust to collect & secure the moiety of the Rents, etc & pay & apply the same for & towards the maintenance and bringing up of all or & any child or children of my said Thomas Kellaway until the youngest of them shall attain the age of twenty one years & upon their attaining that age then upon Trust to sell or dispose of the same either by public auction or private sale & after payment of all expenses attending such sale to divide the surplus unto and among all and every such child or children of my son Thomas Kellaway as shall be then living share and share alike with benefit of survivorship, etc......and in case my said son George Kellaway shall happen to depart this life & shall leave a wife and children of his body lawfully begotten then I do hereby give devise & bequeath the other moiety of my said Freehold & Leasehold messuages, tenements, etc. together with the Rents, Issues, profits as aforesaid to my said Trustees & Extrs. upon like Trusts for the like intents & purposes with respect to the other moiety as given to my son Thomas Kellaway - but neverless in case my said son George Kellaway shall depart this life unmarried then I do hereby give devise & bequeath the whole of my said freehold & leasehold messuages, etc. unto my surviving son, his sons, extrs., etc........................forever, to be applied disposed of by him as he shall thing and apoint, but subject to such debts claims as aforesaid..........Item I do hereby also give devise & bequeath unto my said sons Thomas & George Kellaway these my two? leasehold messuages tenements Land & premises situate lying & being in the ?Albany Row?, Camberwell in the County of Surrey subject to the payment of the Ground Rent reserved by the Indenture of Lease under which I hold the said premises & to the performance & observance of the covenants & agreements therein contained upon the said Trusts, etc.......[the remainder of my property of what nature or kind whatsoever I give & bequeath unto my said two sons Thomas Kellaway & George Kellaway to be equally divided between them share & share alike whom I do appoint my Residuary Legatees & whereas my dear Brother John Kellaway & all my other Relatives are already under divine Providence amply provided & they do not stand in need of any assistance from me under this my will I make mention of them only to remove any idea that might be found of their having ?disobliged? or given me any offer which I do solemnly declare is not the case And Lastly I do hereby nominate & appoint James ?Trenow? & Joseph Sheppard above mentioned together with my wife, Sarah Kellaway, Trustees & Extrs. of this my last will & Testament [gives each 10 pounds for their trouble - followed by a long set of legal restrictions] ..........and I Lastly absolutely revoke and make null and void all former & other will or wills by me at any time or times heretofore made decalring this only to be my last will & Testament In Witness whereof I the said Testator George Kellaway have to this my last will and Testament contained in seven sheets of paper set in handwriting & same to the first six sheets thereof in my handwriting now come to this seventh & last sheet thereof this fifteenth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fourteen...Geo. Kellaway (SS)
Signed sealed published & declared by the said Testator George Kellaway as & for his last will & Testament in the presence of us who in his presence at his request & in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as Witnesses thereto // Willm. J?anney, East Street, Walworth// Henry Chester Junr. // Willm. Long  Clerks to Mr. Marson? Howington Butts --"
 
Proved at London 8th Feb 1816 before the Worshipful Richard Segury? Crosswell Dr. of Lawe & Surr. by the oaths of James Turnow? and Sarah Kellaway widow, the Relict, the surviving Exors. to whom admon. was granted being first sworn duly to administer.
                ......................................................
 
This will reads as if, at the writing of this will, son Thomas was married with children, but son George was yet unmarried.  Also, brother John and other Relatives were well-off enough to not need George's assistance.  So, now we wonder who the "Relatives" were?  The properties held by George are interesting. One must wonder if some came to him by inheritance, particularly the "freehold."  Please forgive my uncertainty about the other names mentioned, but I am totally ignorant of the names of the residents of this part of Surrey at the time - or any time really. Perhaps some of you can clarify the names.
    I have brief wills of a John Kellaway, and Robert Kellaway (which is relevant) and will send those along shortly.  We have now confirmed George & Sarah Sargant (probably pronounced with a "soft G" as Bill Piper suggests) who were married in 1788 at "Saint George the Borough" - probably nearby "St George's Fields" as mentioned in the will.
    So, how do we take the next step?
Sherrill
 
[typos excepted!]

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 15, 2005
Subject: More PCC wills

Attached you will find a few other wills relative to Saint Mary Newington "K" residents. Perhaps these will help, or confuse - but we are trying.
Sherrill

PCC Wills
County Surrey 

Will of John Kellaway, 1832    (PROB 22/1854 = film # PRO/NA) 

The Last Will and Testament of me John Kellaway of Providence Street Walworth Common within the parish of Saint Mary Newington in the County of Surrey carpenter  I give devise and bequeath unto my beloved wife Ann whom I have lately married and who before her marriage with me was called Ann Pitcher all my Estate and Effects whatsoever that I shall be possessed of or be anywise entitled unto at the time of my decease To hold unto my wife and her executors administrators and assigns for her and their own use and I do hereby pronounce constitute and appoint my said wife Ann whole and sole Executrix of this my last will and Testament In witness whereof I the said John Kellaway the testator have hereunto set my hand and seal the tenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two            John Kellaway (SS)

Signed sealed published and ordained by the said John Kellaway the testator and for his last will and Testament in the presence of us -- Thos. Rickabe -- John Pearnvine [Pearmine?] 

Proved at London 11th November 1835 before the worshipful Tesot? Acogiou? (impossible name) Doctor of Laws and Surrogate by the oath of Ann Kelway widow the Relict the sole Executrix to whom administration was granted having been first sworn duly to administer. - 

NOTE:  Could this be the “brother John” mentioned in by George Kellaway in his will? 

The Will of Robert Kellaway, 1847     PROB 11/2066 

The last Will and Testament of me Robert Kellaway of South Street Walworth in the Parish of Saint Mary Newington in the county of Surrey Builder and Carpenter  I give and bequeath unto my Brother John Kellaway my horse and cart together with all my stock in trade and what household furniture I possess To hold unto my said Brother John to and for his own use benefit and disposal   all the rest residue and remainder of my Estate and effects whatsoever both real and personal that I shall be possessed of or be anywise entitled unto at the time of my death I give devise and bequeath unto all my brothers and sisters that is to say my Brothers George Kellaway and William Kellaway, Edwin Kellaway, John Kellaway, Frederick Kellaway and Walter Kellaway and my sisters Sarah Kellaway, Amelia Kellaway, Fanny Kellaway, Jemima Kellaway and Eliza Kellaway their heirs executors administrators and assigns equally to be divided amongst them share and share alike, my freehold or real estate to be vetted in them as joint tenants and not as tenants in common and I hereby direct that the several shares and interests of my brothers Frederick and Walter and my sisters Jemima and Eliza of and in the rents issues and profits of any said real and personal Estate shall from time to time during their respective minorities be taken for them by my said Brothers George and John and invested in the public funds or placed out at interest for them until they shall respectively attain the age of twenty one years and then to be paid over to them respectively as they attain that age and in event of any or other of them dying without attaining the age of twenty one years the share and interest of him her or them so dying shall go to the survivor or survivors and I hereby nominate constitute and appoint my said brothers George and John joint Executors of this my last will and Testament In witness whereof I the said Robert Kellaway the Testator have hereunto set my hand and seal the seventeenth day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and forty seven ==  Robert Kellaway  (SS)

Signed sealed published and declared by the said Robert Kellaway the Testator as and for his last Will and Testament in the presence of us who in his presence have subscribed our names as witnesses hereto == Eliza Brownnutt, Maria Brownnutt, Jas. Kingdon 

Proved at London 3rd day [month omitted] 1847 before the worshipful Alfred Waddilovo an docto: of Laws and Surrogate by the oaths of George Kellaway and John Kellaway the Brothers the Executors to whom Admon. was granted having been first sworn duly to administer. 

The Will of Joseph Kelway, 1770    PROB 11/962 

This is the Last Will and Testament of me Joseph Kelway of the parish of Saint Mary Newington in the county of Surrey Victualler being weak and infirm of body but of sound mind and memory made this Eighteenth day of December one thousand seven hundred and seventy  First I desire that my body may be decently buried at the discretion of my Executrix herein named and as it hath not pleased God to bless me with much of the Goods of this World I can only give to my children my blessing committing them to his providence and Grace of God.  I give and bequeath unto my loving wife Alice Kelway all my Goods chattells and Estate whatsoever and wheresoever of what Kind or quality soever from and after payment of all my just debts funeral expenses and all the necessary charges attending the Execution of this my  Will for her sole use and benefit  Lastly I hereby make ordain and appoint my said wife Alice Kelway sole Executrix of this my Will hereby revoking and making void all former and other wills by me at any time heretofore made and declare this to be my last will In Witness wheeof I the said Testator Joseph Kelway have hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year above written -  Joseph Kelway

Signed sealed and declared by the said Testator Joseph Kelway as and for his last will and Testament in the presence of us who in his presence and in the presence of each other Subscribe our hands as Witnesses thereto   

Geo. Hill         Thomas Early 

This Will was proved at London the twenty fourth Day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy before the Worshipful George Harris Doctor of Laws and Surrogate of the Right Worshipful George Gray Doctor of Laws Master Keeper or commissary of the prerogative court of Canterbury lawfully constituted by the oath of Alice Kelway widow the Relict and sole Executrix named in the said Will to whom administration was granted of all and Singular the Goods Chattells and credits of the deceased having been first Sworn duly to administer. 

NOTE:  While Joseph was lamenting his lack of the World’s Goods, he certainly must have held property in order to qualify his will to be proved at the PCC.  Who can this guy be?


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 15, 2005
Subject: More PCC wills

Great, Bill
I thought those names were the least important part of the documents - and figured we could find a list of those "Doctors of Laws" somewhere on the web if necessary.
I turned up in my Access to Archives printouts some refences to Robert K (the Builder & Carpenter). At the London Metro Archives are the papers of Balch and Balch (Estate Agents). In those files B/BAL/06/002-006 are references to some buildings built by Robert. B/BAL/06/002 - date 18 June 1845: "Parcel of land on eastern side of Kender Street and other part which fronts Mason Street, in parish of St Paul, Deptford,
Surrey, with 7 messuages erected by Robert Kellaway, part of which is over a way or passage.......... Robert was "carpenter, of South Street, Walworth, Surrey."  These are dated 1845-1847, shortly before his death.  Apparently he was a major builder. Wonder if any of these buildings have survived?
Sherrill

--- Bill Piper wrote:
Sherrill,
That's marvellous. Lots of names there. May I see Tesot? Acogiou? How about Georgiou or Geogiou ? Quite a common Greek name.
Bill


From: Pat and David Scott
Sent: Mar 16, 2005
Subject: Walworth map

Try this map if any problems try:
http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/southwark/walworth/map-01048-1625.jpg
You can enlarge this and it is readable.
David & Pat


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Mar 16, 2005
Subject: More PCC wills

Sherrill,

I have been carefully scanning the excellent maps sent by David and comparing with the up to date map  sent by Lesley with reference to the properties owned by said George Kellaway at the time of his death in 1816. I have to say that I think that there is little possibility that any of these will have survived.
 
Albany Road still exists running between Camberwell Rd and the Old Kent Road and appears to have the same alignment and being opposite Burgess Park, may have some original buildings in it.
 
East Lane has now become East Street running between Walworth Road and the Old Kent Road.Pleasant Row which ran parallel to East Street has vanished as has North South and Phoenix Streets running of East Street.
 
London Street is now London Road running into St.George's Circus, formerly the centre of St. George's Field.
 
Providence Street subsequently greatly widened as Greenwich Road has now become New Kent Road which runs into the Elephant and Castle. May have a wander around there shortly and see what I can come up with, but meantime it may be more profitable to try and track down Land Titles. We solve one thing, and immediately plunge into something else. Wow!
Bruce

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 17, 2005
Subject: More PCC wills

I figured all those buildings would be lost to the bombs, as well as modern clean-up of slums, widening roads, etc.  My technical question I was intending to ask, and Bruce alluded to is - who was the property owner(s) in this area - from whom the leases were made? I have browsed around and don't find any information about the original "holders" of Southwark area parish lands.
Sherrill


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 17, 2005
Subject: More PCC wills

Drat, I spent all that time yesterday failing to find anything on a modern map, and look what you came up with!
I think that you'll find that the depredations of the motor car and of the second world war, plus enthusiasm for changing things, will have eliminated any ordinary buildings from the beginning of the 19th century. For another family branch I checked a street, still named, in Euston, London, only to find that the whole street had been moved! The original one (and my ancestors' home) was buried under Euston railway station. That's not all: the home where I was born, and the paddock where I played, in suburban Melbourne are now under a freeway. It's a weird and unpleasant experience to be confronted with that!

Still, I attach the map I drew showing the south London churches. (I you need another format, I can think of one.) The church I can't find is St Mary Newington. No doubt another victim of development. Nevertheless, I'll keep investigating.
Bill
 


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 17, 2005
Subject: Piddlehinton (later)

In case anyone is still interested, I find I have the following records, all in Piddlehinton register:

Baptisms
29 Apr 1744  Purdon Crew, dau of James and Lucy Kellaway (unforgettable!)
1746         Margaret,    dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
29 Jun 1747  Lucy,        dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
30 Nov 1748  Susanna Ann, dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
27 Jan 1750  Ann,         dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
12 Mar 1754  Susanna      dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
10 Oct 1756  Mary,        dau of James and Lucy Kellaway
14 Jun 1764  Catherine Crew, dau of Sylvanus & Margaret Greville
                           (work that one out) 
Burials
31 May 1764  James Kellaway, (spouse: Lucy)
18 Oct 1864  Miss Purdon Crew Kellaway

There was quite a clan of Kellaways at Piddlehinton. Piddlehinton is about 8 Km NE of Dorchester, and a few Km south of Piddletrenthide. A short distance away at Tolpuddle, a group of ag labs were transported in 1827 for trying to form a trade union. (Oh, you know all that.) Later the area became known as Hardy country. 
Bill


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Mar 17, 2005
Subject: will of the widow Lucy Kellaway of Lambeth

I purchased the will of the widow Lucy Kellaway of Lambeth, in the hope that (being nearby) she might prove to be the mother of our George. No
luck I'm afraid. She and the late James had six daughters. If anyone is missing a family from Puddletown or Piddlehinton in Dorset
(Warwick?), this might be for you. (If anyone wants the PDF original, let me know.)
Bill
 

Will of Lucy Kellaway, widow of Lambeth, 1782 (PROB 11/1096) 

This is the last Will and Testament of me Lucy Kellaway of Puddlelinton in the county of Dorset but now of Lambeth in the county of Surry widow whereas my late husband James Kellaway, late of Puddlelinton aforesaid, gentleman, deceased, in and by his last will and Testament bearing date the sixteentheth day of April one thousand seven hundred sixty four gave and devised to me by the description of his well beloved Wife Lucy and to his good friend Mr William Templeman all his lands called West Little Puddle Estate with all its rights members[?] and appurtenances thereto belonging and all his Lands adjoining thereto being in the several parishes of Puddletown and Puddlelinton aforesaid to holdto me the said Lucy Kellaway and William Templeman our heirs  and assigns for ever upon Trust to sell and dispose thereof in manner therein mentioned and out of the monies arising therefrom to pay off and discharge all his debts and legacies as his personal Estate and Effects would not pay off and discharge and that the residue thereof should be placed out on Covenant on good Securities on the following Trusts Viz to permit me the said Lucy Kellaway his said dear wife to receive the Interest and Produce thereof for and during the Life of me the said Lucy Kellaway and after my decease or in my lifetime if thought proper that the said residue or remaining principal shown to be paid unto his six daughters therein before mentioned in such shares and proportions as the said Lucy Kellaway by my last will and Testament signed in the presence of two credible Witnesses or by any Writing thus so signed and attested should direct or in default thereof that the said remaining principal Sum should be paid and divided to and amongst all his said daughters share and share alike now if [?] the said Lucy Kellaway do by this my will executed in the presence of two or more persons subscribed thereto as witnesses by virtue of the said power in the will of my said late Husband and of all other powers enabling me thereto and do hereby give and bequeath unto my daughter Lucy Kellaway is sum of three hundered pounds and unto my daughter Mary Kellaway the sum of three hundred an thirty to be paid to them respectively within twelve months next after my decease out of the money to arise by Sale of the aforementioned Lands and premises devised by the Will of the said James Kellaway upon the uses and trusts as aforesaid and from and after payment of the said several sums of three hundred pounds and three hundred and thirty pounds respectively I give devise and bequeath all the rest residue and remainder of the monies to arise by Sale of the said Lands and premises and all other my estates both real and personal wheresoever and whatsoever and of what nature or kindsoever unto my three daughters Lucy Kellaway Susannah the wife of Thomas Moggs Esquire and Mary Kellaway their executors administrators and assigns equally to be divided between them share and share alike as to the Real Estates to take as Tenants in Common and I make constitute and appoint my  three Daughters Lucy Kellaway Susannah the wife of the said Thomas Moggs and Mary Kellaway Executixes of this my will hereby revoking all former Wills by me at any time heretofore made in Witness whereof I the said Lucy Kellaway the Testatrix have to this my last will and Testament and also to a duplicate thereof set my hand and seal the sixteenth day of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty -- Lucy Kellaway --signed sealed published and declared by the above named Testatrixes [sig] and for her last will and Testament in the presence of us who in her presence and in the presence of each other and at her request have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto -- Thos Foss Strand London, Stepn Phillimore Lambeth Surry Christ. Hull Temple London.

Puddlelinton is probably Piddlehinton. Local  maps show the River Puddle as well as Puddletown and a valley called Puddle Bottom.


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 17, 2005
Subject: Piddlehinton (later)

Thank you Bill, particularly for the will of Lucy of Piddlehinton. 

I have been watching, with interest, the developing story at Walworth.  The early maps were great, and particularly clear.  It is sad that there is little remaining today. Have not got involved, as there are already some very proficient bodies working very hard in Newington. 
 
Actually it is because I have got very deep into logging my records of those Dorset families.  Piddlehinton has always been pivotal in my mind, and I have now fairly conclusively linked the families there back to Nicholas of Forston/Charminster c1540-1594 and, in the 1800s, on to the prosperous Bexington/Abbotsbury family.  I see Lucy died in London, and that presumably means she took a house there. 
In the PRs I sourced, the family there were all unusually referred to as Mr or Mrs, while eldest daughter Purdon Crew was described as "much loved" when she died at 20.  Again a most unusual comment in a PR, and in 1764. (Lucy's daughter Margaret married Sylvanus Greville esq. in 1764 - hence the Crew in the name.)
 
There are a terrible lot of loose ends, not least that I have not yet confirmed James's parents, but the numerous Dorset families were too close together not to be closely related. We have James's will, and also that of Sarah the widow of John, from the other Pidddlehinton family at the time.  (To add to the confusion, a few years earlier, there had been another John and Elizabeth there, with sons.)  There were some squabbles with Sarah, but the point that there were no male descendants, seems to have meant that some of the property, which was leasehold, passed to cousins at Bexington and perhaps Portesham.  John Down Kellaway had freehold property in Piddlehinton in the voting register of 1838.
 
I have not yet linked nearby Dewlish in with this family, and suspect that the family at the Develysche Manor there in the mid 1500s - with the IOW connection through young Thomas - may have been related much earlier - just possibly to Peter and Thomas, the so far unrecorded brothers of the first Sir William.  (Dewlish is very close to Melcombe Bingham, and the Rockborne knights could have inherited much of the Bingham estate)  Seem to recall mention of that manor somewhere? 
Regards 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Mar 19, 2005
Subject: Walworth

http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/southwark/walworth.htm

Two whole days, and this is all I have to offer! The wealthy builder George Kellaway (died 1816) of Walworth ( who is of so much of interest as being a likely (later) cousin of the 1640 Peter of America because of DNA analysis of George's descendants (so far only from Cecil Kellaway's nephew Peter (Kellaway) Moss), is really taxing us.

 
I have for the first time included Peter Moss and Joan in the loop because this is obviously of some importance to them. Don't hesitate Joan if you want a fuller explanation!
 
 By virtue of the skills of Sherrill and young Bill Piper,we have pushed back the ancestry of this line to dear George, established that he apparently made his fortune in London, more particularly in Walworth where he married and had children (from the will in Sherrill's possession), have a list of his properties and locations. What we do not know is who was his Daddy.
 
It is possible that George's early start in the building game of the late 18th century was financed by his rels, and this may appear on relevant but as yet unexplored land title documents. If we can achieve this, we can get a sniff of where George's family lived before he came to London, and give us a link to so much research already done.
 
If we can get back into the 1700s, we are only two generations away from the American Peter. I would like to think that we are 'cooking on gas'.
Best wishes
Bruce
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Mar 22, 2005
Subject: Walworth

Warwick, were there other Kellaways in the All Saint's, Dorchester register? Like everyone else, I am wondering why it was decided to bury George there. I have nothing on C/K from All Saints, Dorchester. I still marvel at our good fortune to learn that the register says George was "born Walworth."  That is pure luck.

 
Bill, perhaps it is now not irrelevant that the widow, Lucy Kellaway, wrote her will in Southwark!  We have wondered how George had the means to acquire the amount of property he had around Walworth.  Perhaps that does show a connection with "widow Lucy"s" husband's family, who appear to have been also quite "well-off."
 
How do we find George's father?  I suppose the parish registers need to be searched, beginning about 1760, for George's baptism.  That should cover a man who was married in 1788.  But where to begin?
Bermondsey, St Mary Magdalene (registers begin 1548) - this is where Thomas was christened in 1790.
Newington, St Mary (registers begin 1561)
Southwark, St George the Martyr (registers begin 1602)
    Was George & Sarah Sargant' s marriage a "civil" marriage?  If so, would it also have been recorded at St George?  That may have been the church of Sarah Sargant.
    It appears from records of Thomas' children's baptisms that the family was not always so "church oriented."  A number of Thomas & Esther's children were baptised years after their births.  But surely the older generations were in touch with their church - we hope!
    Then, there is the question of the "K" and "C" spellings. All those parishes in that part of Surrey have entries for families with both spellings. This continues to puzzle me.
    As usual, I never seem to have answers, but always have questions.
   Sherrill

Newington, Surrey 

Saint Mary, Newington 

1813     George Thomas Kellaway s/o Thomas & Esther               C          Jan 17

1815     Amelia Kellaway d/o Thomas & Esther                            C          Oct 25

1816     Edward Callaway & Hannah Ingram                                             M         April 28

1816     Emily Louisa Callaway & William Edward Wagstaff           M         June 23

1816     Sophia Ann Callaway & Phillip Coe                                              M         April 28

1822     Bartholomew Calway & Sarah Nicholls                             M         March 2

1822     James Calway & Ann Lye                                                           M         May 23

1822     Eliza Callaway d/o John & Ann                                        C          Sept 4

1827     John Kellaway & Christiana Currie                                               M         May 20

1830     Susannah Callaway & Thomas France                             M         July 9

1832     Sophia Augusta Calloway & Evan Hughes                                    M         Aug 20

1833     Ann Henrietta Callaway d/o John & Ann                           C          Feb 6

1833     James Henry Callaway s/o Samuel & Elizabeth                C          Nov 24

1834     Rosa Callaway d/o Samuel & Elizabeth                           C          Oct 12

1835     Frederick Kellaway s/o Thomas & Esther                         C          Jan 25

1835     Jemima Kellaway d/o Thomas & Esther                           C          Jan 25

1835     Mary Ann Callaway & Thomas Hall                                              M         Aug 24

1835     George Thomas Kellaway & Mary Ann Lindley Pitcher      M         Nov 29

1836     Richard Callaway s/o Samuel & Elizabeth                                    C          Nov 27 

Lambeth, Surrey

 

Saint Mary, Lambeth 

1817     Edward Callaway s/o Edward & Hannah                           C          June 15

1819     Mary Kellaway d/o John & Ann                                        C          Oct 3

1821     George Thomas Callaway s/o Edward & Elizabeth                        C          July 29

1823     Elizabeth Catherine Callaway d/o Edward & Elizabeth       C          Jan 5

1823     Jane Ann Callaway d/o  John & Elizabeth                         C          May 18

1824     Henry Callaway s/o Edward & Elizabeth                           C          Jan 12

1834     Mary Ann Callaway d/o Edward & Elizabeth                     C          Jan 12 

Saint John the Evangelist, Lambeth 

1825     James Charles Callaway s/o Edward                                           C          Dec 25

1828     Sarah Callaway & James Hand                                       M         May 4

1836     John Callaway s/o John & Mary                                       C          June 5

1861     Charlotte Kellaway & James Sear                                                M         March 3

Saint Andrew, Lambeth 

1873     Mark Calway & Harriet Tully                                                        M         April 16 

Bermondsey, Surrey
 

Saint James, Bermondsey 

1834     Ann Calway & James Bowes Kitchner                             M         Sept 23 

Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey 

1802     Peter Calway  [parents not listed]                                                C          Sept 17

1846     Edwin Lauriston Kellaway s/o Thomas & Esther               C          April 26

1846     Eliza Kellaway s/o Thomas & Esther                                           C          April 26

1846     John Lauriston Kellaway s/o Thomas & Esther                 C          April 29

1847     Fanny Kellaway d/o Thomas & Esther                             C          Nov 7 

Southwark, Surrey
 

Saint Olave, Southwark 

1622     Jeffery Calloway & Joane Wood                                       M         Dec 20

1691     Elizabeth Calloway d/o Richard & Elizabeth                                 C          April 12

1760     Thomas Callaway & Kezia Summers                                           M         July 6

1776     Susanna Callaway & Thomas Laman                                           M         Nov 5

1789     John Callaway & Sarah Jones                                                     M         Dec 8

1790     Elizabeth Callaway d/o John & Sarah                               C          Dec 5

1791     Mary Ann Callaway d/o John & Sarah                              C          May 26

1798     Martha Callaway d/o John & Sarah                                              C          Oct 21

1815     Mary Callaway & William Burt                                         M         Jan 17 

Saint Saviour, Southwark 

1606?   Mary Kellaway & Anthony Finch                                              M         July 16

1767     James Calloway [parents not stated]                                           C          July 5

1776     Jane Callerway [parents not stated]                                             C          Feb ?

1778     Eliz. Mary Callaway & Wm Gitford                                               M         Nov 8

1797     Ann Callaway d/o James & Sarah                                                C          Sept 17

1803     Joseph Callaway s/o James & Sarah                                           C          Oct 9

1805     John Joseph Callaway s/o Joseph & Elizabeth                  C          Oct 27

1809     Joseph Thomas Callaway s/o Joseph & Elizabeth             C          April 30

1811     Richard James Callaway s/o Joseph & Jane                                 C          March 17

1813     John Callaway & Ann Richards                                        M         Aug 1

1817     Eliza Ann Callaway d/o James & Elizabeth                                  C          April 30

1818     Margaret Callaway & John Langley                                              M         Jan 27

1818     Sarah Calloway & William Wickham                                M         Jan 27

1818     John Callaway s/o James & Sarah                                               C          July 1

1820     Lidia Calloway d/o William & Charlotte                             C          Jan 2

1820     Lucy Calloway d/o William & Charlotte                             C          Jan 2

1820     Ellen Calleway d/o Thomas & Ellen                                             C          June 16

1821     Jane Eliza Callaway d/o Joseph & Jane                           C          May 13

1823     Sophia Kelloway & Francis Joseph Vidsaller                    M         July 13

1823     Allen Marshall Callaway s/o Thomas & Ellen                    C          Nov 16

1827     Allison Callaway s/o Thomas & Ellen                               C          Dec 19

1828     Elizabeth Calloway d/o Frederick & Elizabeth (Champ)      C          May 11 

Christ Church, Southwark 

1809     Elizabeth Ann Callaway d/o William & Charlotte               C          Sept 10

1811     Eleanor Bond Callaway d/o William & Charlotte                C          Nov 6

1839     Eliza Callaway d/o Frederick & Elizabeth                         C          Feb 17

1852     Ann Callaway & George Andrew Lance                            M         Sept 9 

Saint George the Martyr, Southwark 

1801     William Callaway & Charlotte Avant                                             M         May 21

1803     William Callaway & Emily Nicholson                                M         Jan 3

1816     John Callaway & Ann Jarvis                                                        M         Dec 12

1820     Edward William Callaway s/o Edward & Elizabeth             C          March 12

1829     Maria Callaway & Hugh Jeboult                                       M         Jan 22 

Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey 

1834     Mary Ann Callaway d/o George Thomas & Mary Ann        C          Nov 3

1842     Emily Sarah Callaway d/o George Thomas & Mary Ann     C          Aug 28

 

Saint John Horseleydowns, Southwark 

1816     Mary Ann Callaway d/o John & Ann                                             C          Jan 14

1818     John Callaway s/o John & Ann                                        C          March 8

1822     Eliza Norman Callaway d/o John & Sarah                         C          Aug 4

1823     John Thomas Callaway s/o John & Sarah                         C          April 13

1823     James Rogers Calaway s/o Bartholomew & Sarah                        C          May 11

1825     Phillipina Ann Calloway d/o John & Sarah                                    C          Oct 16

1827     James Charles Bawden Callaway s/o John & Sarah                      C          Oct 7

1830     Phillipa Sarah Callaway d/o John & Sarah                                    C          Jan 10 

Saint John Walworth 

1861     Anne Louisa Callaway d/o Frederick                                            C          April 25

1863     Phebe Callaway d/o Thomas Frederick & Ann                  C          April 26

[Note:  Phillimore’s Index does not list a St. John, Walworth. This may be an error for St Peter........OR?]


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 22, 2005
Subject: Walworth

Sherrill 

Further to my earlier message, I have had a look for the Ann Kellaway who married James Shepherd at Puddletown in 1784.
No luck anywhere.  No matching families with a daughter Ann. 
 
I did find Christopher Kelway marrying Johan Devenish at Puddletown in 1662, Mary Kellaway marrying John House there in 1730, Elizabeth Kellaway marrying Richard Riggs in 1789, Henry Kellaway marrying Elizabeth Purchase in 1828, and Martha the daughter of George Kelloway and Sarah Foote c in 1825.
In the Dorchester churches Robert Kelaway married Mary Clark in 1713, Jane Kellaway of Piddlehinton married James Jeans in 1731, Mary Kellaway of Piddlehinton married John Payne in 1736, Mary Kellaway married Marian Feaver in 1760, Henry married Mary Clench in 1832. 
And believe it or not, James Calway married Ann Bolby there in 1791.
 
So there were marriages in both places, if not many births or deaths.  Perhaps they were more important locations for a social occasion, than the village church?
 
Getting back to Ann, she would probably have been born around 1760.  Therefore could possibly have been George's sister.
Also could have been the daughter of Piddlehinton Thomas. 
Warwick

From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 23, 2005
Subject: Walworth

Sherrill
Thank you for the Index of Registers.
St Mary Newington appears the most fertile area in Newington for George's birth. As regards Dorset, I am attaching a section of the latest version of my treatise on Upwey/Broadwey, which included Piddlehinton.  (Not the whole 15 pages).  Another 12 pages cover the Hilton/Wool area, and I am working on other areas, although more research seems needed towards Hampshire, perhaps now into the Colways in the west.

My research was from the LDS PRs, for all of Dorset - commonly read from their 8mm microfilms with a magnifying glass - but frustratingly usually only back to about 1730, for most parishes. I see that Piddlehinton PRs are claimed available back to 1539, but understand there are major gaps.  Conveniently at the key dates! The Kellaways were thick in the area around Piddlehinton, but most particularly in Charminster, Godmanstone, and Piddlehinton itself. There were not many at Dorchester or Puddletown, and I only found one, Agnes, buried at Piddletrenthide in 1731. They were also thick around Broadwey, Abbotsbury and Long Bredy further south, Chetnole and Yetminster to the west, Sherborne, Longburton and Bishops Caundle in the north, Winterborne Kingston, Hilton and Wool to the east.

Numbers diminished seriously in most areas during the 1700s and 1800s, many altogether, Sherborne and Winterborne Kingston particularly, and except perhaps in the east.  The numbers around Melcombe Bingham and Dewlish in the 1500s were very interesting, but they were not there later.  There seems a similar situation at Stalbridge and Marnhull.

The particular interest is of course with Walworth George, and while I admit I have a fixation with the Piddlehinton family, it still looks to
me the most likely family source.  I suggest his father was either a George, or Thomas - and there are strong possibilities in Piddlehinton,
including a brother John. (I remain puzzled over George's children being baptised as near adults - does not seem right some how - the only thought I have is perhaps they were c in another faith, and confirmed into the C of E, but that would normally be recorded.  If we were looking at the 1841 census however, the ages could be inaccurate.)

I think we need to approach some of our Dorset people to get into the Dorset RO.
Warwick


THE PIDDLEHINTON FAMILY 

(Nicholas Kellaway      c 1540-1594) 

The family of Thomas Kelway, of Piddlehinton, son of Nicholas and Jone Kellaway

of Forston and Charminster: 

1          Thomas Kelway c1570 

·         The family of Thomas and  -  Kelway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.1        Thomas Kelway c1600               m Susan Loman at Piddlehinton 1628

1.2               Christopher Kelway        c1600               m Alice Symonds at Piddlehinton 1630

1.3               John Kelway                  c1610-1676
 

·         The family of Thomas and Susan Kelway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.1.1          Christopher Kelway        1631-1663

1.1.2     Thomas Kelway 1634

1.1.3     Robert Kelway               1637 

·         The family of John and  -  Kellaway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.3.1     Christopher Kelway   c1640

1.3.2     Robert Kelway               1641

1.3.3     Rafe Kelway                  1642-1642

1.3.4     John Kelway                  1644  

·         The family of Thomas and  -  Kelway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.1.2.1  Nicholas Kelway        c1665-1716          

1.1.2.2  Thomas Kelway         c1670-1737

1.1.2.3  John Kelway              c1670-1733 

It is not certain to which family Nicholas belonged, but Thomas and John were the sons of Thomas.

It also appears that Thomas also had a son Thomas, who is very probably the later Thomas of Bexington. 

·         The family of Nicholas and  -  Kelway

of Piddlehinton Dorset: 

1.1.2.1.1           Christopher Kelway  c1690-1716       may have m Lydia (d 1754)

1.1.2.1.2           Paull Kelway                       c1695-1731

1.1.2.1.3    John Kelway             c1700-1774       m Elizabeth/Betty  -  (Mrs Elizabeth

                                                                                    when she died in 1768)

1.1.2.1.4    Mary Kelway             c1700               m Thomas Young?

1.1.2.1.5    Anna Kelway                        c1710 

The John here is presumed to be from this family.   

There was also another John, with wife Sarah, in Piddlehinton at the same time.  The John senior who died in 1732 may have been the father
of this second John. 

Christopher, described as a Yoeman, died in 1764. 

Jane and Mary from Piddlehinton, married James Jeans and John Payne, respectively, in Dorchester in 1731 and 1736.  They may have been
from this family.

Also here was widow Lydia, who died in 1754.  She could have been the wife of Christopher or Paull.  Unfortunately the PRs are missing
for the vital years from 1700 to 1730, and it is difficult to place some of these family members. 

(The name Lydia is unusual in the family, although William Thomas Calloway/Kellaway had a daughter Lydia by his first wife Elizabeth,
presumably born on the Isle of Wight.  He also had a brother Christopher c on the island.

Although there is no indication the Christopher married, or had children, if Christopher and Lydia had been his grandparents, that could
explain why he “returned” to Dorset.)  

·         Family of Paul and  - Kellaway of Piddlehinton: 

1.1.2.1.2.1 James Kellaway                    c1720-1764       m Lucy  -         

1.1.2.1.2.2 Nicholas Kellaway     c1725-1783

1.1.2.1.2.3 Elizabeth Kellaway    c1725               m Thomas Young 

“Mr” Nicholas of Sturminster died in 1783.  He does not appear to have had any family in Piddlehinton.  He was in dispute with James
widow Lucy, who died later in London.

Mrs Dorothy had been “brought back” from Witchampton in 1781, and could have been the wife of Nicholas.

James and Nicholas appear to have represented the senior family. 

·         Family of John and Elizabeth/Betty Kellaway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.1.2.1.3.1  John Kellaway                        1731-1731

1.1.2.1.3.2  George Kellaway                    1733               m Mary Read in 1771 (she died 1793)

1.1.2.1.3.3  John Kellaway                        1735

1.1.2.1.3.4  Thomas Kellaway       1739

1.1.2.1.3.5  William Kellaway                    1746 

John, Thomas and William, all appear to have left Piddlehinton. 

It is interesting that at Bishops Caundle to the north, there were another John and Elizabeth, with son George c in 1733, and later a
John and Sarah.  The latter family however appear to have used Biblical names, such as Abraham, Jacob and Esau. 

(Johns remain a problem to place.) 

·         Family of Mr James and Lucy Kellaway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

1.1.2.1.2.1.1  Purdon Crew Kellaway         1744-1764       Unusually described as “much loved”

                                                                                    when “Miss” Purdon Crew died at 20.

1.1.2.1.2.1.2  Margaret Kellaway   1746               m Sylvanus Greville Esq. in 1764

1.1.2.1.2.1.3  Lucy Kellaway                     1747

1.1.2.1.2.1.4  Susanna Ann Kellaway  1748-1748

1.1.2.1.2.1.5  Anne Kellaway                    1750               m Ambrose Ridout in 1777

1.1.2.1.2.1.6  Susanna Kellaway   1754

1.1.2.1.2.1.7  Mary Kellaway                     1756 

This family appears to have had some importance in the area.  Presumably involved with farming, the land was leasehold.  There were no sons. 

In the 1700s Piddlehinton names were often preceded by a Mr or Mrs, when they died.     Mr Paul in 1731, Mr James in 1764,
Mrs Elizabeth in 1768, Mrs Dorothy (brought back from Witchampton) in 1781, Mr Nicholas in 1783. 

·         Family of John and Sarah Kellaway

of Piddlehinton, Dorset: 

2.1        Mary Kellaway                             1737

2.2        Ann Kellaway                              1742-1800

2.3        Lydia Kellaway              c1740               m John Stone in 1763 

It is not clear who this family descended from, presumably however a younger branch of the Piddlehinton family.  It does seem that
John senior, who died in 1732, may have been the father of John.  The family did not have the resources of the other Piddlehinton people,
Sarah leaving £50 to her daughters Ann and Lydia in 1775.  Again no sons. 

Piddlehinton names are very similar to those of Bexington and Abbotsbury in particular,   but as the Charminster and Piddlehinton
families were both descended from Nicholas of Forston in the late 1500s, it is perhaps not surprising. 

John Down Kellaway, of Winterborne Abbas (the Bexington family), was the holder of freehold lands in Piddlehinton in the 1838 Register of Voters. 

Suggesting a family connection, if not inheritance.

Earlier Thomas and Jane of Bexington had a daughter Mary buried at Piddlehinton in 1736. 

With regard to Upwey and Broadwey, George c1615-1663 could have married twice, if Joanne was his widow of one year.  He could
have had sons by an earlier marriage, one of whom had Henry c at Turners Puddle in 1665.  But there is no evidence of George’s father,
in Broadwey or elsewhere. 

The William Kellaway, commander of the South Seas Company Slaver that caught fire off Newfoundland in 1727, came from Upwey. 
As presumably did the mate Ralph, and ship’s boy Robert, who did not survive. 

Henry Kellaway junior of Broadwey had a Negro servant aged 18, George Pugarron, christened in 1733.  Presumably born about 1700,
his father Henry senior would have been born around 1670, about the same time as William’s father. 

We can presume the origin of George Pugarron.


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 15, 2005
Subject: Musgraves Obituaries

Hi all
I get a few genealogical magazines through the local society. The Family History Monthly has had CDs attached recently.  (Tantalising
bait to get you to buy, and I see Family Tree is doing the same thing). In one (May I think) they had pages and pages (about 400 each of the
first three volumes of six) of "Musgraves Obituaries". They say before 1800, and going back to 1421 (I think further). Unfortunately only an index, but somewhere there must be the originals. Have had to send the magazine on, but found these:

VOL I  page 330:

Callaway Wm Tn Clerk @ Kingston 10 Dec 1793
        (EM 487, GM 1152)
Calloway Alicia Enfield 12 May 1794
       (GM 485)
Callwey Wm (Sir) KB 1501
       (No reference, but obviously not an obit.)

Vol III  pages 355-7:

Kellaway Jane
       (MS)
Kellaway John of Gt Ormond St 20 June 1769
       (GM 519)
Kellaway John 10 Aug 1770
       (LM 434)
Kellaway Robt Surgeon 13 May 1725
       (HRC 21, 23) also
Kelleway Robt Surgeon May 1725 Vide Kelleway
       (HRC 23)
Kellaway Rob Proprietor of Tilbury Waters
       17 Sept 1737 (GM 574) also
Kellaway  -  messr. to the Victualling Office
       6 Apr 1732 (GM 724)
Kellaway  -  Brig. General 4 Jan 1738
       (LM 49, Gm 52)
Kelloway  -  Brig General Jan 1738 Vide Kelloway
       (HRC 23)
Kellawe Rich de BP Durham 9 Oct 1316
       (Neve's Fasti 348)

Some are not obituaries, and one obviously is pre 1421. Are available from Archive CD Books for £29.95 a set - a bit beyond me - but presumably can be found somewhere else? Could be something there we do not yet know about.  We have heard about that General before, and a couple of others.  Wonder what was said about Sir William?
Regards
Warwick


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 20, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting

Good morning Friends,

    It was interesting yesterday to watch Michael Campbell of New Zealand win the US Open in Pinehurst, North Carolina - wearing a "Callaway Golf" cap, yet. That also reminded me of Lionel Callaway who lived at Pinehurst, or that golfing area, and died there several years ago. He was "inventor" of the "Callaway handicap" system - an Isle of Wight-er, if I remember correctly. I had a good file on him and may still have it - unless it has been sent to the Archives.
 
    Let's start over on "Robert of Wards & Liveries."  FIRST. don't believe Robert was born c1497.  That was a date supplied in the Dictionary of Natl. Biography by the various biographers who did not know what they were talking about - the were "surmising," or to be blunt, "guessing."
    SECOND.  John Byfleet, whose widow married Robert C/K # I, did not die until 1505, therefore Robert I could not have married his widow, Alice Gover Byfleet, until after 1505 - so Robert (W & L) was born a couple of years after 1505. That birth year makes his marriage to Cecile Unton more reasonable - he was not quite so old as we were first led to believe when he married.
    THIRD.  William Kayleway (1st) Knight was dead in 1508 when a "writ of diem clausit extremum after the death of William Kayleway, Knight" was directed to the escheators in Wilts, Southampton, Somerset & Devon [notice, Dorset not mentioned].  [Ref. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. XXII, 1485-1509].
    1509.  "License of entry without proof of age" was granted to John Caylewaye, son & heir of William Caylewaye, Knight, tenant in chief on the manor of Rockborne, 5 cottages called Gorleigh, a tenement in the city of Winchester & manors or lordships of Combysett & Ferneham (Vernham) & a tenement in le Devyses, Wilts, a messuage called Westworth & a messuage in parish of St. Leonard's, Exeter, Devon [Ref. Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1494-1509].
    FOURTH.  William C/K (1st Knight) died about the time his grandson, Robert (W & L) was born.  There is no indication that William C/K (1st Knight) had other sons besides Sir John & Robert I.  That is not an absolute, however.
    The Williams & Johns of Rockborne are not the same people as the Johns & Williams of Sherborne.  They are obviously related - due to bearing the same COA.  John C/K of Cullompton, Devon also bore the same COA, but I can find nothing to indicate that he ever stepped a foot in Sherborne Abbey, or associated with either the Sherborne family or the Rockborne family.  One of our big problems is not knowing to whom the COA was first awarded - or when.  Nor do we know to whom the COA fragment, now displayed in the window of St. Katherine's Chapel of Sherborne Abbey, belonged.  However, it features a "mullet," indicating it belonged to a 3rd son - of whom?
    FIFTH.  William C/K (1st Knight), father of Sir John of Rockborne, is said, by the "expert historians," to be the son of Thomas C/K who married Joan [Payne?] and through her inherited the extensive Bingham, etc. properties.  Thomas C/K, patron, presented at Sutton Bingham from 1407 to about 1424 when he died.  His widow, Joan, married Roger Wyke who then presented at Sutton Bingham for a time and got his foot in the door of Rockborne, until his wife, Joan C/K Wyke died & the property reverted to her heirs, the C/Ks.
    In stepping back, and looking at the dates involved - Thomas C/K to the 1st William Knight - it seems to be a long span of time for father and son.  Is it possible, if not probable, that there should be another generation between the two?  Now I am "surmising" or "guessing" - and have nothing obvious to substantiate the idea.  Perhaps the connection between the Rockbornes and Sherbornes lies back in time - in Wiltshire - or at East Coker [Stalbridge/Weston, etc.]. 
    If the COA was supposed to suggest "prestige," then why, as Warwick often expresses, did not the Sherborne clan attempt to incorporate the Rockborne clan into their lineage - in those "cursed" Visitation Pedigrees - those things that have caused us endless "hair-pulling" ?
    I have digressed somewhat from my original mission - to substantiate the parentage of Robert (W & L).  We must let go of the birthdate "1497" for Robert - it was an estimated date by the biographers.  The facts in the case suggest a later birth year - after 1505 - say "1507."  Ten years makes a difference in a man's life, as to his first and only marriage, and the birth of his child.
    Robert (W & L) in his will actually told us who his mother was, by the bequests to his nephews, sons of his "sisters." One sister was actually a half-sister (they shared the mother), a daughter of Alice Gover Byfleet by John Byfleet. This half-sister actually is shown on the Byfleet pedigree. The other sister was the daughter of Robert C/K # 1 and his wife, Alice Gover Byfleet C/K (who also had a son, Robert of W & L).  Robert C/K #1 gave a deposition in a chancery case brought by "Mistress Alys C/K" against an employee of the store in Sarum, previously owned by her former husband, John Byfleet, to be the inheritance of her son, Thomas Byfleet (as testified to by Robert C/K #1).
    All this further explains the large bequest made by Robert (W & L) in his will - to Francis C/K, grandson of Sir John of Rockborne, and the token bequest to Dame Anne, mother of Francis, and widow of Sir William C/K (2nd Knight).
    Life is grand when all the pieces fall into place!
  Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 20, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting

Good morning Sherrill 

Not really here.  The shortest day, and we are cold, fogged and drizzled upon.  Can only get better!
Much excitement over Michael Campbell however.
 
That Robert W&L remains a pain.  You have done a great job uncovering him, but somehow I suspect there is probably more out there.
I don't criticise the Pedigrees too much.  They are not completely accurate, mainly I gather because the heralds recorded what they were told, rather than checking the information.  But the Pedigrees are, in a number of respects, all we have, and have supplied a base for further research.
 
What intrigues me most, is that there is very little reference to the Knights of Rockborne.  Why - surely they were remembered, if nothing else?  Yet virtually all we have of them is where their offspring daughters married.
There was no problem bumbling around with William of Sherborne and his descendants over 100 years before, but no definite connection with that branch, except by deduction. 
The only thoughts I have are that, by the time of the Pedigrees in the late 1500s, and early 1600s, the Rockborne family was in some disgrace, they were not the senior C/K family, and it was the older family which supplied the information.
 
Robert W&L is missing altogether, and he was very prominent in the second half of the 1500s.  Making us think there was something strange about his parentage.
I recall there were however several references to his age when he died.  And before I saw the date 1497, I counted back 84 in 1581.  If he was only 76-8 when he died, that was not unusually old, and he was described as being rather ancient.  But yes to have a daughter at 56 would be a little unusual.
He was said to have been involved with the Sherborne family in the Bapton dispute between 1532 and 1544, and secured the entry of William Gawen to the Inner temple in 1534.  I doubt he could achieve that in his 20s, although maybe that Robert was his Dad.  (Robert I would however have been around 70 in 1544, if still alive.)
 
Personally I am not worried about the c1497 date, and it is even possible Mrs Byfleet was Robert I's mistress - that was happening then?  (Could even explain why his parentage is obscure.)
 
As regards the first Sir William, we are only deducing that Robert I was his son, there is no specific reference I am aware of.  The only references to his family I think are in William of Sherborne's 1469 will, where the grandsons were John and William - both presumably very young.  We know there were daughters Lora and Jane, and Alice from the will at least, but again further grandchildren, such as Robert I, may have been born after 1469.
(That "Obituary" from 1501 might tell us something more, but I think it covered his knighthood, as he died in 1507 - maybe the 1501 was actually 1507?.)
 
The Rockborne family began with the second marriage of William of Sherborne, somewhere about 1440, so the separation goes back some distance (why the first is omitted in his will we do not know, but probably they were older, and established with whatever inheritances they enjoyed).  Curiously, while Williams and Johns occur in both families, the only Roberts in the Pedigrees are in the Sherborne family.
 
The point with a missing generation appears to lie with the senior Sherborne family.  There seems no problem with the Rockborne people - Sir William born c 1440, Sir John c 1465, Sir William c 1495.
With the Sherborne family however, if William's eldest son Thomas was born c 1430, and his sons Robert and William c 1490-5, there has to be someone in between.  As we have a Thomas born about 1470, the conclusion could be that there were two Thomases, probably father and son, born c 1430 and c 1470.  (The Pedigrees did have a problem with Thomases.)  Otherwise what is the answer? 
 
If the missing generation did exist, that could uncover the origin of Nicholas of Forston/Charminster and who knows who else.
 
John of Cullompton was a prominent C/K family member, but still of unknown origin (unless the third son of one of those "two" Thomases).  We do suspect he may be from Devon (Mokesbeare or Cheldon?), but there seem to be too many references, particularly in his will, for him not to have had some association with Sherborne Abbey.  The window there was said to be in remembrance of him, but if provided after 1530, does not suggest he was the originator.  (I still favour Sir William, when knighted in 1501, or the family after the Abbey rebuilding in the late 1400s.)
The Abbey itself was very important, and monastic orders very wide spread and influential at the time.  John was also a very wealthy wool merchant, and undoubtedly travelled considerably.  He may not however been a close relative of the Sherborne family.
 
Those jigsaw pieces are surely falling into place, bit by bit. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 21, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting

It is interesting that we have returned to the origins of Robert W&L. I am much taken by Sherrill's reasoning that his dates 1497-1581 should probably read c.1507-1581 which would conveniently slot subsequent events in his life into our recorded facts, however that we have to fiddle with a few years, is probably down to the lad himself, who has been shown more than once to play a little fast and loose with the truth. It is possible that a closer examination of his tomb in the Exton Parish Church (something that I have been endeavouring to organise) may reveal something more than the fact that he co-opted the Rockbourne Arms to himself and not that of the other branches of the family!

 
His will and his bequests clearly show his close relationship to this family, as does his actions in his capacity in the dissolution of the Monasteries. Whilst recently in London I wandered around his former properties in the Inns of Court and hope to publish some photos subsequently. He was undoubtedly one of the wealthiest and most influential of our ancestors, and Prof. Baker of Cambridge should have done more research on him before writing him up in the Dictionary of National Biographies.
 
Personally, I am of the opinion that Robert W&L's daddy was indeed Robert C/K #1 under discussion. As mayor and MP for Sarum he obviously alienated quite a few folk personally and politically and just maybe his own son!
 
Whilst we are on the subject of coats of arms, may I throw in a puzzle viz. couple of pics taken last week by son Geoff in Winchester Cathedral. You will note that this coat appears to be one of the simplest (and therefore maybe the oldest) in existence in that it has only one charge (the glaziers nippers sans pears). It does bear a cadency viz. a crescent indicating a second son (cf. the mullet representing a third son). Now I know that Brian wrote an interesting article "Some 18th Century Musical Kelways" and a Thomas K 1695-1736 was a Vicar Choral of the Cathedral (he details other musicians of Chichester Cathedral one of whom was involved with "The Star Spangled Banner", but I have serious doubts that this COA relates to this guy. Research into the cathedral does not so far reveal to whom it belongs. Any ideas? Sorry to be a pest! 
Bruce
From: Geoff Callaway
Sent: Jun 21, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting

Just a point of clarification

 
Having travelled down to Winchester for the UK Father's Day (some 25 miles from Basingstoke) we headed up High Street (away from the imposing statute of King Alfred) and came upon the West Gate. The only gate remaining from when the city was surrounded by a wall. It was in here that I discovered the coat-of-arms that Dad has mentioned.
 
After the walls and other gates fell into ruin, the West gate (as it is known) became a debtors prison for some 200 years up until the 18th century. Inside the gate are a number of scratchings of various people "banged up" for failing to pay their bills.
 
The gate is a 9-iron from the original castle ruins when Winchester was the capital of England and a 7-iron from the Great Hall known to be the seat of the Knights of the Round Table.
 
I enclose a web address to help with the visualisation
 
http://www.winchester.gov.uk/SubTopicR.asp?ID=939
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 21, 2005
Subject: Nicholas Kellaway of Sherbourne/Charminster

Your "Details Regarding Nicholas Kellaway of Sherbourne/Charminster" received with increasing interest. Will require much study, however two points immediately spring to mind which may be able to be perused by your researcher on the ground viz.

 
1. You state "Some have said that Thomas K "The Elder" married a daughter of Henry Martyn - but we find no proof. However the event would certainly move the family over close to Athelhampton and the "Piddles" ."
I attach some photos I took in St. Mary's Puddletown which is just down the road from Athelhampton. Originally called Piddletown, it was the Martyn's parish church, and a transept contains their family crypts, a complete stained glass window of their ancestry, and I guess all their bones! Naturally I was only interested in Robert who married our Elizabeth, who subsequently married Tregonwell (apparently in the same church). Her/our arms are shown. But if there is a record concerning Thomas "the elder" it exists in the records of this church.
 
Secondly you say "Nicholas" is a new name in this part of the Kellaway family from the Sherbourne area. A study of relevant records might reveal a family that is the source of the name "Nicholas" that would indicate a marriage" Nicholas Martyn died in 1593 (effigy and plaque from St. Mary's also attached). Nicholas K died a couple of years later,so they were probably both born at a similar time, however there was a previous association of the K/Cs of Rockbourne and the Athelhampton Martyn's in that Lora, also Sir John's daughter, married Sir Amyas Paulet c.1483 you will recall, and Christine Paulet on her third husband had Sir William Martyn of Athelhampton c.1499.
 
I guess that what I am on about is that this area is a rich source to dot a few I's and cross a few T's for the early family which your girls so brilliantly researched. From my 'Pub' research it is clear that the K/C's still inhabit the region. My concern from the DNA point of view is that we have not so far grabbed a bit of DNA from them, and I am becoming increasingly discouraged that June will soon pass when my promised "K reunion" will take place and contact be made by someone living there who is interested in the Dorset genealogy. Bernard Welchman? could make some effort in this regard as well as combing ancient documents? 
Best wishes, 
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 21, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting
 
Not sure whether that window is in Winchester Cathedral, or the gate house, in the Debtors Prison, or Where?
Interesting though.
Could be something to do with the family, but I suspect it had more to do with another glazier, as the pears are not there, second son or no.  The pears are technically probably more relevant to the C/K family than the g/irons.
Could a "glazier" bear arms?
Has anyone deciphered the inscription?  Probably not enough of it.
 
Yes we were fooled by the Gorge initially.  Don't suppose any of the des Gorges went to Walworth? 
(Note that we did send a George K to Shipton Gorge from Abbotsbury in the early 1800s.  That family came from Broadwey/Upwey, where there were Georges in the 1600s - still trying to get his DNA.) 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 21, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - Revisiting

Very interesting. How does that relate to the fact that Sir William (1st Knight) had a tenement in the "city of Winchester" which John, his s & h was licensed to enter - 1509?


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: John of Cullompton

Here is a copy of the Inquisition Post Mortem of John Kayleway, Esq. [of Cullompton, Devon] -

 
Chancery Inq. p. m.  Ser. II  Vol. 52 (29), 23 Hen VIII (1531)
 
Delivered into Court 23 Oct. by Thomas Sydenham of the Temple.
 
DEVON
 
Inquisition taken at Exeter 4 Oct 23 Hen VIII (1531) before John Hext, esq., escheator, after the death of John Kayleway, esq., by the oath of Thomas Fortesque, esq., Charles Faryndon, esq., Thomas Hext, esq., John Pomeroy, esq., Roger Rous, Edward Forde, John Carsswill, John Wolston, John Godwyn, John Bobyche, Richard Langisford, John [Ju]ledon, John Bury & Thomas Goffe WHO SAY that John Kayleway was seised of  2 messuages, 2 gardens & 4 acres of land in Colompton, held by the abbot of Bucklond, in free socage, worth by the year, clear, 30s.  1 messuage, 100 acres of land, 10 of meadow, 20 of furze & heath & 3 of wood in Uplomyn, held of Henry Daubeneye, Lord Daubeneye, in free socage, worth &c 13s. 4d.; 3 messuages, 3 gardens, 200 acres of land, 20 of meadow, 500 of heath & furze in Woodcrofte, Hoggersland, Moys & Alschedowne in the parish of Brodewodekellye, held (except Alschedowne) of John Gilbert, esq. in free socage worth &c. L 6.;  Alschedowne held of Thomas Speke, esq. in free socage worth &c. 20s.;  1 messuage, 80 acres of land, 10 of meadow & 3 of wood in Nore & Whitford in the parish of Shute, held of Henry Marquis of Exeter in free socage, worth &c. 13s. 4d.
 
    By his deed dated 25 Jan 15 Hen. VIII [1523/4] John Kayleway granted the presmises to John Rawe, sergeant at law, John Whyting, Nicholas Aschford, Henry Walrond, Humfrey More, John Skuys, John Cruys, esq., John Drake, Robert Herone, Robert Cruys, Edward Cruys & William Tournour, to the use of the said John Kaylway & his heirs.
    John Whyting afterwards died.
   
    By his deed dated 10 Oct 21 Henr. VIII [1529] John Kaylway made his last will & therein desired that the said feoffees should hold the premises as aforesaid to his use during his life, & afterwards should hold all his lands in Cornwall, Devon, Hants & Dorset to the use of John his wife, for life, with remainders to George their son, the heirs of Joan, to Margaret Ascheford sister of Joan, wife of the said Nicholas Ascheford & her heirs & to the right heirs of Margaret Tregarthen late wife of Thomas Tregarthen, grandmother of said Joan, dau. & heir of Richard Hendor & Katherine his wife, dau. & heir of Robert Chamberlayne.
    After the death of John Kaylway, to wit, 28 March 22 Hen. VIII [1531] Joan, his widow, granted to the said feoffes (Simon Kayleway being substituted for John Whyting) all her late husband's lands in Devon, Cornwall, Dorset & the courty of the town of Southampton (except the moiety of Brannell & the moiety of the advowson of the church of St. Stephen there), to the uses aforesaid.
    By deed dated 26 May 23 Hen. VIII [1531] the said Joan granted those moieties to the said feoffees to the same uses.
    John Kayleway died 24 Feb 23 Hen. VIII [1531].
 
    George, son & heir, aged 6.
 
                ************************************************
 
Note:  The lands mentioned in the deeds, in Cornwall, Devon, Hants & Dorset, were about the lands of the Tregarthen, Hendor & Chamberlayne families, to which Joan and her sister, Margaret Tregarthen (Tanner, Aschford) were heirs.  They were daughters of John Tregarthen, who pre-deceased his father, Thomas Tregarthen; thus Joan and Margaret were heirs to their grandparents Thomas & Margaret Hendor Tregarthan.  Margaret Hendor was d & h of Richard Hendor & w. Katherine Chamberlayne.  The land referred to in CORNWALL, HANTS & DORSET belonged to these families.
 
      John Kayleway, esq. of Cullompton only held land in DEVON.  There was no IPM in Dorset for him.  In looking over some other items about him, I can see a "possible" relation with the Rockborne clan, but there is nothing to indicate a connection to the Sherborne clan.  As before said, there is obviously a connection with the Sherborne clan, but there is no clue as to what point that occured - but the COA confirms a relationship for all of them somewhere back in time.  Those "items" also find him dealing with some of the same people the Stafford/Kellaways dealt with, suggesting his connection is with that branch of the family.  Perhaps we have not looked back far enough to see the link between these 3 branches of the family.
   Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: John of Cullompton

Marvelous information Sherrill.

 
In my FONS references I had the Devon Index, and also a Dorset Index - Chancery Series II 52 47
Exchequer Series II 919 2
 
Hope you can find it. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 22, 2005

Subject: John of Cullompton

My apologies to Brian who first provided this pic from Sherbourne Abbey some years ago which I copied and showed on a presentation at the CFA meeting in Baltimore. I was prompted to review what we had on John of Collumpton by the recent exchange between Warwick and Sherrill on this guy.

 
Utilising a Google search of my desktop which includes all the English research on the CFA website (courtesy of Donna who first suggested this facility), I rapidly came to some conclusions which I will summarise.
 
1. A creditable link has been made from the Chailleways of the 12th.c to Sherbourne (Warwick's 'senior family'. The will of William who died in 1469 is the first substantive evidence we have of this line. It refers to his Father John, son William and grandchildren, John, William, Agnes and Alice. We have diddled around with the descent of these children, but after the burning down of the Abbey, and my alleged pinching of the Sherbourne Missal, basically what we have is this branch moving into obscurity.(Maybe with good reason!)
 
2. This branch did not live in the Abbey or the nearby Castle, in fact we do not know where they lived. Various other lines from Wiltshire and Hampshire have been attributed as descendants, and we have wrestled in an attempt to link them with the Collumptons, the Rockbourners and  the famous Robert W&L, I believe without success.
 
3. The fact remains that there are a helluva lot of K/Cs still in Dorset who are (possibly) descendants from this branch, but the most studied and verified branch of the family remain the Rockbourners and the 'mysterious' Robert W&L, and the gap and reason behind this divergence (only held together by the Coat of Arms) lies further back in history, as Sherrill suggests, in areas not yet researched.
 
4. The continued association of the C/K's with Dorset has been well explained. It did not involve the Sherbourne crowd. John of Collumpton's (d.Feb 30-31) widow (Tregarthen) promptly married John Wadham of Merryfield and their daughter Margaret married Nicholas Martyn of Athelhampton. You will recall that Nicholas' mummy was Elizabeth Kelway, the daughter of Sir John of Rockbourne. It is possible that John of Collumpton's first wife was a Courteny and Daddy was Earl of Dorset or some such. The 'Sherbourne' branch did not figure. Their belated 'pedigrees' merely indicate a family split which may relate to religion, politics, envy (who knows), but they sure did not acknowledge the family branches who were the flavour of the day viz. The Collumptons, Rockbourners and dear old Robert W&L!
 
Thought for the day,
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 22. 2005
Subject: Principal C/K families

Sherrill 

It would be great to investigate the relationship through time of the principal families.
 
We have quite a bit already, but must admit that I had concentrated on the Sherborne branch, as that is where I expected to find my people.
We know the Stoford Devon family were a "younger" branch, and were there in the 1200s, presumably at Stafford Barton. 
The family had been at Mokesbeare earlier, but what relationship that was to Wiltshire we do not know.  I had assumed a branch, as most there dropped the "de", but they may have simply moved from one location to another as it suited them.
 
We also know the Wilshire family left that manor about 1400, and went to Cheldon in Devon - not very far from Dolton and Stafford Barton.  Don't know why exactly, but the family had held that spot for some time previously.
What we don't know is exactly what happened next.
 
The Heraldic Pedigrees (love them or hate them) give a constant Stafford Barton succession from around 1200 to the 1500s, although a number changed their name to Stafford.  Whereas the Sherborne HP references only begin about 1400.
We can assume that it was the descendants of the Wiltshire/Cheldon family who we find in Sherborne, and that seems to fit.
 
However right in the middle of all this is Dunes Weston in Dorset, not too far from Sherborne, where a family member was living in the mid 1200s, and Calewe Weston, where we have definite information, including the 1308 will, that the senior family member was living there then.  Some of them became Westons.
 
Two comments have come through - as regards Kellaways in Wiltshire - that after seven generations they moved west - and that the two families - Devon and Dorset - intermarried.  (I have wondered about the two COA in Dolton Church in that regard). 
 
We know the Rockbourne family separated off around 1470, but it was probably that time around 1350-1400, when there were happenings between Dorset and Devon.  Maybe continuing later.  
 
Lots more to learn. 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: Thomas C/K

When Thomas C/K (said to be father of William (1st Knight) was presenting at Sutton Bingham, 1407-1424, he was listed as "ar."  That suggests to me that the COA was awarded well prior to the "antics" at Sherborne Abbey.  Thomas died c1424 and his widow, Joan (the Bisset & Bingham heir) married Roger Wyke, who then immediately began "presenting" at Sutton Bingham for a few years until wife Joan died. At that point Wyke lost his "right" to present at Sutton Bingham. I assume Joan's property reverted to her heirs at that point. We need to figure out this early Thomas, and who his ancestors were.
  Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: Thomas C/K

Yes midnight now, but there almost certainly were C/K arms at that time.

But what were they?  Maybe they changed some time in the next 50-100 years. Not sure that there were any similar fruity/glassy arms around 1400 - could have been the chevron and leopards heads?

Think William's father was John in his will, but I suspect his uncle was Thomas, and may have had no family, hence the inheritance.  And possibly the reason for the lack of mention in the Pedigrees, and total confusion over who was William and who was Thomas, that followed.

Warwick


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: Principal C/K families

I think the question should be, what was John, son of Robert of Lillington, doing over in Wiltshire? His roots were clearly with the Sheborne clan of Dunesweston/Stalbridge Weston. He seems to be the one who strayed off. Well, Thomas married the Bisset/Bingham heiress, and
that is why Sir John's COA is quartered with those families COAs. Would the arms have been changed since Thomas bore them? We still don't understand the significance of the "glazier's nippers" but perhaps there is an explanation for the pears. Could the family have been "glaziers" back in Normandy? The early history of glassmaking in England is vague.
  Sherrill


From: Geoff Callaway
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: Westgate Coat of Arms

SUDDENLY A VERITABLE CAT AMONGST THE PIGEONS!

Dear Sir/Madam, 
Last weekend my family and I travelled to Winchester to enjoy a Father's Day and happened upon the Westgate having no prior knowledge of it.
 
We travelled into the Museum and while enjoying the display and the history, noted the three Coat-of-arms in the window facing the town. Do you have any information on the origin/background to these coat-of-arms appearing in the windows?
 
Of particular interest to me is the one of the crossed grozing irons (glazier nippers). Our family has done extensive research into our family name and believe that the crossed glazier nippers are prominent in our original coat-of-arms and were not aware of the presence of this particular coat-of-arms in this particular location.
 
Any assistance or knowledge you have would be greatly appreciated. 
Yours sincerely,
Geoff Callaway
 

Dear Mr. Callaway 

The 15th/16th century arms in glass set in the windows on the east side of the main chamber are originally from glazing at the old Guildhall on the High Street (the building now occupied by Lloyds Bank). We believe they were placed in the Westgate in the late 19th century when the Westgate became a museum.
 
The arms of Henry Smart (died 1489) depict two glazier's irons with a crescent and the inscription 'scutum Henrici Smart'. Henry Smart held various civic offices including that of Mayor of Winchester for the year 1471-2 and MP for Winchester twice from 1455-6 and 1472-3. He lived in Lombard House in St Clement's parish. He and his wife were buried in the nave of Hyde Abbey Church.
 
I'm afraid we have no other information.
 
Yours sincerely,
Geoff Denford

Dr G T Denford, Principal Curator, Winchester Museums Service
Historic Resources Centre, 75 Hyde Street, Winchester SO23 7DW
Tel: 01962 848396 Fax: 01962 848299
E-mail: gdenford at winchester.gov.uk


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 22, 2005
Subject: Westgate Coat of Arms

Hi all,
All sorts in the mail today.  The Wiltshire Webb one is promising, especially with Edward, Robert and Thomas.

(Remember William Webb, alias Kellowe, was mayor of Salisbury in 1496)
 
The one below is interesting.  (The shield of Henry Smart.)  So others used the glaziers nippers! 
We have no knowledge of a connection with Mr Smart, so presumably he acquired the device independently.
Probably because his family were also into stained glass
Possibly they were skilled artisans but, as he appears to have been an MP at a fairly young age, it seems that his family too had some standing.  And it seems he could have had the arms around 1450.
 
So the C/K arms could very well have been from then also.  (Really think Normandy was too far back, but there sure would have been some windows needed in that burnt out Abbey of 1436.)
 
Did they not allow some Tradesmen to have arms just after the time of Henry V ?
 
I note Winchester Cathedral.  Maybe also Sherborne Abbey for us.
 
As regards why Robert's son John went to Wiltshire.  Don't think it could be called straying, as he was the son and heir.  Maybe Wiltshire seemed more attractive - nice house with chimneys?. 
However he may have gone when he married Jane Garwen from Northington, Wiltshire.  Although he actually went to Whitparish, which is some distance from Northington - itself actually closer to Winchester, (and its Cathedral).
Otherwise it could be because his grandfather, or great grandfather, Thomas, thought he owned the Bapton property in Wiltshire.  One of the Thomases, probably the earlier one, was evidently squabbling over it between 1485 and 1505.  Cousin Robert W&L continued the case between 1532 and 1544.
The squabble was with the Estcotts/Estcourts, and it seems there may have been some dowry promise concerning Thomas's sister (Agnes?), daughter of William of Sherborne.  (Possibly it had originally been a Barrett inheritance)
 
John was living at Bapton in 1545, when he bought Edmund Estcourt's interests in Fisherton Anger, and conveyed a Downton estate to Estcourt.
The whole matter seems to have been very confused, but in his will John left properties at Bapton and Tisbury to his son Henry (of Lillington Dorset fame/notoriety).  Think the Estcourts finally got Bapton.
(Are there any interesting places/properties in Robert's Latin will, Sherrill?)
 
Anyway those parts of Wiltshire may well be where descendants of the senior C/K family reside today.
Warwick
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 23, 2005
Subject: COA

Hi all 

To perhaps bring the cat out from amongst the pigeons.
 
I have never noted just what arms the Rockborne family consistently used, but the other families in the Pedigrees were clearly the pears and grosing irons, from the relevant county locations:
 
Somerset:    Kelway of Stowford in Berwick Somerset:  Ar two glaziers snippers in saltaire Sa between four pears Or (Stowford is virtually Dorset, and close to Sherborne - there was no specific reference in Dorset - however we now have the Piddlehinton family using them 200 years later.)
 
Devonshire:    Kelloway of Stowford Devon:  Arg two grosing irons, in saltaire, Sa between four Kelway pears pp; within a bordure engrailled of the second.  (This is the Devon family, but note the two Stowfords.)
 
Wiltshire:    Kellway of WhiteParish:  Quarterly 1 & 4 argent, two glaziers snippers in saltaire Sable between four pears Or within a bordure engrailled of the second.  2 Argent, a leopards face Gules between five crows Sable (Barrett).  3 Azure a camel passant Argent (Camell)  Crest:  A cock Argent, beaked and legged Azure.  (This may at first seem to be reduced to two quarters, but indicates the much earlier origin of the family, rather than any more recent marriages.)
 
The only arms mentioned in Cornwall were the Kyllyowe arms of a chevron with two roses and a mullet.
I don't seem to have found any for Hampshire (despite references to Sir John and Sir William Kelloway), or elsewhere.  
 
As I have said previously it seems very strange that the Rockborne knights are barely mentioned anywhere.
And we never found Robert W&L at all. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 23, 2005
Subject: COA

Warwick!!

The only arms now registered for the K/C's are the Hampshire ones. See next sending relating to Sir John of Rockbourne quartered 2. with the De Romsey coat and 3. with the 10 roundels of the Bisset/Basset family. What does remain as a mystery is when the Rockbournes of Hampshire were originally granted it. Away for a couple of days, but I will be back!
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 23, 2005
Subject: COA

Thanks for the information Bruce. 

Don't think I had been aware of the letter (or forgot).
There was a second page, which looks interesting?  I see Winchester mentioned too.
 
The Pedigree only begins with Sir John - no mention of his father Sir William - strange - he had only been dead 24 years in 1531.
One aspect is that here we have them as Cs.  All the other Counties were Ks.  Maybe they confused the Heralds.
(We do know that most Hampshire spellings have been Cs.)
 
As with the Wiltshire reference, there were the two quarterings, of four.  We have the Wiltshire 2 and 3s - did we ever get these - can't remember?  They were presumably later family alliances, such as Strangeways?

Part two
 
Have scratched around to look at those COAs from another direction (probably should have before).
 
Thomas - the first one we have (of a cast of thousands), and possibly born around 1375 - married Joane Bingham, who later (c1420) inherited Ramsay/Romsey estates, thought to include Rockborne. 
Sir John (born c1470) was later to inherit Rockborne from his father Sir William, technically perhaps through his grandfather William of Sherborne. 
(That covers one quartering of the Rockborne arms.)
 
Sir John's grandfather William of Sherborne (born c1400), and I suspect Thomas's nephew, married Joan Barrett.  As well as bringing Bapton and Tisbury in Wiltshire to the family, she brought property inherited from the Camells of Fittleford.  These properties were then passed down through his eldest son Thomas, (and maybe another Thomas), to Robert and his son John of Whitparish.
(That settles the two quarterings of the Sherborne arms, seen in Wiltshire.)
 
The Bissett/Bassett quartering of the Rockborners arms remains cloudy.  It seems very likely however that a daughter of that family was the presently unknown wife of the first Sir William of Rockborne (born c1440).
 
Anyway, forgetting the clear cut pears and irons arms of the Stowford Somerset/Dorset and Stowford Devon, families - the quartered arms from Wiltshire, and from Hampshire, differentiate themselves by displaying the armorial backgrounds of the Sherborne and Rockborne families - as recorded in the mid 1500s.
 
Bruce, you and Sherrill probably worked all this out ages ago, and even if it doesn't provide any dates for the actual arms (still guess around 1450, I can at least now see a little more light.
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 24, 2005
Subject: COA

Interesting.  Get ready, I am preparing to re-open our discussion on those visitation pedigrees of the so-called Stalbridge C/K family. There is something erroneous about the "visitations" which we need to get settled, by using "official" documents.  Re: the Wiltshire COA quarterings: A heraldry book I read and made copies from about Wiltshire COAs labels the arms that everyone thinks is the Barret COA as the ELLIS
arms. There is a mix-up in the ancestry regarding the Barrets and Cammells. We must resolve this before we can "file" this family away. The web offers little information on Barret; there is more available on the Cammells, but not much. Stay tuned.
  Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 24, 2005
Subject: COA

Great Sherrill
Look forward to more information.

Although I have several books on Heraldry, they are all general, and I never discovered anything relevant, familywise.  Tried to search very early documents - 1400 and earlier - but found nothing - certainly nothing with anything like pears and grosing irons. One particular to Wiltshire would be good.  Does it refer to the family arms today, or those held in the early times?  Could be differences.

I have found errors in recent historical/heritage publications - probably nearly as many as the older publications, and really would have expected the original Pedigrees to be the most accurate in that regard, as they related directly to the owners of the COA in the 15-1600s. Possibly however the transcripts we have today have had later comments inserted. I no longer have access to the Pedigrees of course, but would have thought if they referred to the arms of a particular family, it would have been reasonably correct.  Is it possible that the Barrets and Ellises were the same family?  (We have a situation like that with our Staffords and Westons.)

There could be some problems with the relationship between Barrets and Cammels, as the period that concerns us was around 1400, some time
before the Pedigrees were produced, much more the County Histories.  As both branches of the families concerned were absorbed by the C/K lot
then, little would continue to the present day.

The Stalbridge family were from a second son, and were present when the Pedigrees were produced, but definitely had some relevance to where we are searching in later Dorset and Somerset, whereas I would expect the senior family of Robert to be in Wiltshire.
Warwick


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 25, 2005
Subject: COA

Warwick, 

As pointed out and revealed by this and the following, the bleeding Somerset Herald proved rather expensive. He did however clearly demonstrate how the spelling of the surnames were changed willy nilly even by the esteemed College of Arms.
 
By way of explanation on the Coat of Arms of Sir John Calaway/Kelway/Kellaway of Rockbourne, Hampshire, quarters one and four were a duplication of the pears and nippers, which always seemed to me a bit of over-kill! (But maybe a family inter-marriage) The quarter No.2 as I said was for the Bissets/Bassets whose relationship I will explain in a separate note as I will also do for the quartering No.3 for the De Romseys.
 
Glaziers nippers (syn. grozing irons) were an ancient device for a shield and first described by Theophilus (?10th-11th century) as "grosarium ferrum". Those of the Worshipful Company of Glaziers and Painters of Glass (one of the most ancient Livery of the City of London were granted to them By Robert Cooke, Clarencieux King of Arms in 1634 under the reign of Elizabeth 1. That is about 100 years after the grant to Sir John. Whereas the Worshipful Company interspersed four naked young boys between the grosarium ferrum, we were much more politically correct by popping in our four pears!
 
That Sir John had two quarterings of pears with GFs on his arms clearly indicates that the K/Cs held them earlier than the 1500s, but there's the rub. 
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 25, 2005
Subject: COA

Thank you Bruce for that series of additional notes.

 
I note that there was considerable confusion over the manner by which Rockbourne Manor came into family hands.  The Hampshire History was valuable, outlining the Binghams and Romseys, although there was then that 80 year gap in the history of the manor.
Fortunately we know ourselves that the first Sir William left the property to his son John part way through that time - in 1507.
If Edward IV was still granting the property to the Swete family in 1467, only a couple of years before William of Sherborne died, it is fairly certain that it would have been his son (Sir) William who actually got his hands on it.
That could explain the complete omission of anything to do with William of Sherborne, and his eldest son Thomas, despite the inheritance being "justified" many years before William's death.
How the acquisition was "managed" might be another matter, but it could also be a reason for the Sherborne family seeming later to "deny" the Rockbourne family - the descendants of Thomas may have felt cheated.
Sir William was quite possibly a pretty shrewd, perhaps unscrupulous, gentleman.
 
Speaking of unscrupulous, your Mr Woodcock might have been able to supply some valuable information, but knew how to charge in 1984!  (He had also transposed his numerals in his letter of 9 May - presumably 1543 not 1453)
 
Anyway you have very accurately explained the background to the quartering in the Rockbourne arms.
We still wonder over the Bissetts?
    
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 26, 2005
Subject: COA

Revisited Google most of the day in an attempt to sort out the origin of the C/K COA, which has plagued us for yonks. No further ahead except to establish that they originally may have not been Glaziers or manufacturers of glass, but patrons of a Guild of Glaziers. These Guilds which subsequently much later merged into the Worshipful Company, were in existence since before the 14th. century. They were often confined to one locality for long periods of time working for example on the construction or restoration of a particular Monastery or Cathedral under the patronage of wealthy persons who were seeking to pave their way to heaven with their cash.

 
It is clear that all our examples of the C/K COAs, originally cost a helluva lot of dosh to construct, and must have been paid for by the particular family concerned, but why the glazier nippers were first incorporated into the arms, may relate to the above. I know that Warwick's thoughts have concentrated on the re-construction of Sherbourne Abbey after our rels attempted to burn it down as a possible origin. But 'The Will' indicates merely a payment for the replacement of the ?'nicked' Sherbourne Missal and a few bob for the Monks, and the only COA now extant there is the fragment attributed to John of Collumpton in St. Catherine's Chapel.
 
As previously discussed a  Keilway received a patent to manufacture glass in the 17th.c along with Mansell, Zouch et al, but this is way out by at least 200 years and can be dismissed. Simarly, I believe that its origins in Normandy can be also dismissed. I am now coming to the conclusion that the device may somehow have clung to our ancient family from the 11th.,12th century, the time of the Crusades. Robert W&L, never knighted despite serving 4 Monarchs and not fully identified with any particular branch of the family, ensured that his monument in the church at Exton was headed up by the COA of the Rockbourne family, and a few more COAs with crossed glaziers nippers yet to be identified on the side. His musings in a moot book which he possessed as a student (Held by the Harvard Law School MS183) indicates that this obviously brilliant man was puzzling the same problem 500 years ago!
 
In this moot book he described himself as "Kydwelle alias Kelwey alias Kelowey alias Kelway alias Robertus Kylwey de Nova Sarum in comitatu Wilts. armiger", but his doodling indicates more an enquiry into the origins of the name rather than his obvious acceptance and reverence of the COA.
 
I believe that as Bill Piper once opined (and where is Bill Piper?) that the pears may ultimately provide a clue. Previous research indicates that as a device these were more popular in Mediterranean countries at the time of the Crusades.
 
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 27, 2005
Subject: COA

A good spot of analysis.

You may well have touched on the source of the arms there somewhere.  Wouldn't have thought them to be the actual artisans, from the family background, but maybe the patrons.  Still suspect they had something to do with Sherborne Abbey, but possibly only arranged the glaziers.
Do recall there was some encouragement of "lesser ranks" to produce arms after the time of Henry V but, if much earlier, we do have the pears referred to with regard to the court of Edward I, around 1300, - about the time of the 1308 Dorset le Calewe will, and of Bishop Richard of Durham.  (An important time for the family?) 
Maybe there was some connection with Mediterranean pears, but they were a speciality in Normandy from much earlier times.  As there was continuous to and froing with Normandy, and as stained glass was a specialist French craft until the English later acquired the skills, it is also quite possible that they brought one or two over, at some stage, and they stayed.
 
Anyway any comments on those two Thomases?
 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 27, 2005
Subject: COA

I asked where is Bill Piper the keeper of the pears, now I ask where is Brian Willoughby, the original keeper of the various COAs of the C/Ks dotted around England. Son Geoff undertook a three hundred mile round journey to Exton yesterday and has produced the most complete photographic record of the monument to Robert W & L yet published. This will require a lot of study and will require some help. To the right and above the monument, we have a story in the attached COA.

 

It is clear that whilst dear Robert impaled his alliance with the complicated Harrington family, he chose to incorporate the Binghams of Sutton Bingham into his ancestry (Ermine three lions rampart on a chief sable) which replaces the fourth quarter of a duplicated glaziers and nippers in Sir John's arms which he placed at his head. Maybe he was just covering all bases, and we know now how the Binghams, in addition to the Bissets figured.

 
I have a lot more work to do on Geoff's photos of the memorial, but it is of interest (at least to me) that the incorporation of the Binghams of Sutton Bingham is exactly what appears in the arms of Elizabeth Kelloway/Martyn/Tregonwell displayed at Milton Abbey Dorset which follows. Elizabeth, the daughter of Sir John, must therefore have been known to Robert W& L (maybe as step/half sister) which surely defines some time lines? Help someone!
 
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 27, 2005
Subject: COA

Yow

 
The plot thickens.
Before I disappear to bed - off to Auckland in the morning - do I see Sir John being gifted a son Thomas?
First time I have seen that!
Dear O dear.  The only nearly similar occurrence I have is to William of Stalbridge's son Thomas the elder marrying Elizabeth Martin?
 
No doubt lots more to come. 
Warwick
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 28, 2005
Subject: C/K families - Sorting them out

Hi All,

    Information has been flying by, thanks to Bruce for retrieving items from our previous discussions.  I am now beginning to see possible links between the Rockborne C/K family and the Stafford/Kellaway (Devon) family. The relationship of the Sherborne/Stalbridge/Dorset family to the others is not yet clear, to me.  The "sticking point" seems to be a Thomas C/K, sometimes inserted into the Visitation Pedigrees, but who left little, if any, documented records.  Most of you know my suspicion of the "Visitation Pedigrees."
    The Rockborne family had a strong association with Wiltshire, particularly in the Salisbury area, before moving into Hants.  The Sherborne family has very early connections to Dunesweston/Caleweweston/Stalbridge Weston in Dorset. The Stafford/Kellaways dominated Devon and Cornwall.  The goal is to eventually find the common ancestor, evident because they all bore the same COA, though with differing crests.  So, the question keeps coming up - how old is the COA, when was it first awarded to a C/K ancestor?  Let us investigate the various family branches, beginning with the Rockborne family.
    The Rockborne family begins with Thomas C/K who married Joan Bingham (heiress to Sutton Bingham and eventually Rockborne manor).  We have no date certain for their marriage, but it should have occurred sometime between 1410 and 1412.  Thomas C/K gained the "right" to "present" the priest at Sutton Bingham which he did for the first time on 18 Dec 1412 as "Thomas Kayleway, 'arm.'  Prior to that the Binghams "presented."  The last time Thomas C/K presented at Sutton Bingham was on 4 Feb 1417.  On 20 Dec 1422, Roger Wyke "presented" at Sutton Bingham. This indicates that Thomas C/K died between 1417 and 1422.  His widow, Joan Bingham Kellaway, married Roger Wyke as her 2nd husband, by 1422.
    Apparently Thomas Kayleway never had a claim to Rockborne manor because his wife, nee Joan Bingham, did not inherit her share of Rockborne until the death of her cousin, Joan Romesey, in 1448.  We don't know exactly when Joan Bingham Kayleway Wyke died, but her 2nd husband, Roger Wyke, died in 1467.  Roger married twice more,  2nd to ________, daughter and heir to ______ Bisset; and 3rd to Joan, daughter and heir of Thomas Chastelayne of Dennington & Trent in Somerset.
    By his first wife, Joan Bingham Kayleway, Roger Wyke had a son called John Wyke.  John Wyke married Joan, daughter and heir of John Camill of Shapwick & Charborough in Dorset. "From that day to this Charborough has been held by his descendants" [descendants of Joan Bingham Kayleway Wyke].  John Wyke died in 1488 [Inq.p.m. 4 Hen VII, no. 46].  His son, also named John Wyke, succeeded him, and married a daughter of ______ Lites, of Lytes Cary, county Somerset [these are Bingham, et al,  heirs].
    By his 3rd wife Joan Chastelayne,  Roger Wyke acquired the manor of Trent in Somerset, and there in the church of St. Andrew, "is his monumental effigy, clad in armour, with t he head resting on a tilting helm, crested with a barnacle goose, in allusion to his mother's coat-armour, which was "argent, a chevron between three barnacle geese, sable."  Roger's mother was Katherine Burnell.
    The foregoing information is taken from a paper read by the Rev. W. Wykes-Finch, M.A., J.P. which he read at Sidmouth, July 1903.  It was published in the "Transactions of the Devonshire Association for the Advancement of Science, Literature and Art" in 1903-xxxv. pp 360-425.  The copy which I have used is from a transcription of a poor copy of a copy of the published paper, found on the web. The site is no longer active, but can be seen from the Internet Archive at: http://web.archive.org/web/20041020184808/www.wykes.org/wykefami.html. Or in PDF format here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040407083244/www.wykes.org/wykefami.pdf 
 
    The published paper has a picture of Roger Wyke's effigy in the church at Trent. The transcriber notes that the "text" beneath the picture copied poorly, but he attempts to transcribe it as follows: "Effigy in the parish church of St. Andrew, Trent, Co. Somerset of Roger Wykes, Armiger, younger son of William Wykes of North Wyke in South Tawton, Devon by Katherine, his wife da. and h of John Burnell of Cockatree in the ..........Parish.  He obtained Byndon and Axmouth, Devon, 1406; erected there the Lady Chapel 1425,  He was MP for Plympton St. Mary 1413, e....launce(?) at the Battle of Agincourt 1415.  His first w. was Joan wd. of Thomas Kelloway of Cayleway, da. of Thomas Bingham, Lord of Sutton-Bingham, Co. Somerset, by his w. Mary, da. (by Alice his w. da. of Sir William Filliol) of Sir Walter de Romesey and Ramsey who was grandson of Sir John Wharton (a descendant through theTyrrels, Clares and Giffards of Richard 1st, Duke of Normandy) by Ela his w., daur. and co-h. of John, Lord Biset, who was son by Phillipa his w. da of William Malbane, Baron of Nantwich, of Thomas, Lord Bisset  a descendant (through the Dunstanvilles and Reginald, Earl of Cornwall) of King Henry 1st.  By his first w. Roger had John and probably other children.  He entered into possession of her share of Rokebyrne, Hants, Combe Biset, Wilts in 1448. He was Patron of the church of All Saints Sutton-Bingham - 1422 to 1467.  In right of his second w. Joan, h. of Bisset he had during her life, Radbours Co. Dorset.  His 3rd w. was Joan, da. & h. of Thomas Chasteleyne, Lord of Donnington and Trent, both in Co. Somerset, by Emma his w., dau and co-h of John de Cantelupe, Lord of Chilton-Cantelo, Co. Somerset.
    In right of his 3rd w. Roger held a third of the Manor of Trent.  He held lands in Croke Burnell, South Tawton (presumably from his mother) & elsewhere.  Relinquishing his paternal coat armour, "erm, three Dane-axes sa" he assumed that of his mother's family, "arg a chev betw three barnicles sa." differenciating the chevron which he bore ermines. Amongst over 70 variations of the name the predomient forms are Wake, Wike, Wyke, Wykes, and Weekes."
 
    Now, back to Thomas Kayleway and his wife, Joan Bingham - It is presumed that Sir William C/K (the 1st Knight) was a son of Thomas Kayleway and Joan Bingham.  However, examination of the dates of events could suggest that another generation could be inserted here.  If Thomas C/K died between 1417 (when he last "presented" at Sutton Bingham) and 1422 (the first "presentation" of Roger Wyke), then Sir William (the 1st Knight) would have been a very young child when his father, Thomas, died.
    Roger Wyke "presented" Girard. Rendyll as priest at Sutton Bingham on 29 June 1467. Rendyll died before April 1478 when Joh. Yate was "presented" by Joh. Devyoke.  The identity of 'Joh. Devyoke' is not known, nor why he had a right to "present" at Sutton Bingham.
    Joh. Yate resigned as priest at Sutton Bingham before 16 Oct 1500, the date Will. Calway, arm. "presented Hen. Fayrman.  Hen. Fayrman resigned before 29 July 1505 when Will. Kaylwaye, mil. "presented" Will Tanner, and Will. Tanner died by 5 Nov 1541 when "Hammelus Williams, a.c. per Joh. Kaleway, de Rockborne, Hants, mil." presented Rawlin Radnor as priest.  After that the Sydenhams "presented" at Sutton Bingham for more than 100 years.
 
Additional records that refer to William C/K 1st Knight:
 
1505.  Mandate to the escheator of Devon to restore temporalities of the Benedictine Monastery of Shaftesbury to Elizabeth Shelford whose election as abess is confirmed by E. Bishop of Salisbury, her fealty having been taken by the abbot of Milton and William Calewey, knight (the like to escheators of Somerset, Dorset, Wilts & Sussex). [Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1494-1509]
 
1508.  Writ of diem clausit extremum, after the death of William Kayleway, Knight directed to escheators in Wilts, Southampton, Somerset & Devon [Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. XXII, 1485-1509].
 
1509.  License of entry without proof of age for John Cayleway, s & h of William Cayleway, knight, tenant in chief on the manor of Rockborne, 5 cottages called Gorleigh, a tenement in le Devyses, Wilts, a messuage called Westworth & a messuage in parish of St. Leonard's, Exeter, Devon [Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1494-1509].
 
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Take a break.  Study this.  More to come, shortly.
 
    Sherrill
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jun 29, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - revisiting

Despite attractions in other directions, I am determined to fully analyse what we have on our bleeding Robert of the Wards and Liveries by virtue of a complete photographic review of his memorial at Exton by son Geoff. I will take you through it stage by stage.

 
Lets firstly dismiss the Harringtons into whom Robert's only daughter married. They were a very mixed family whose initial Arms were "Sable a fret Argent"sometimes described as "Harringtons Knot" which is seen to the top left of the arms impaled with Roberts. Their forbears are of no interest to us, despite the fact that one of them (Maybe the one that married the daughter may have been the Godson of Elizabeth 1 and invented the first flushing toilet. Frankly I think that this was one of his rels whom not only I have been unable to work out, nor his current rels! Additionally, for the titillation of history, a coin was struck, some Harrington ended up in the Tower of London, and all sorts of intriguing facts which Google throws up.
 
However! It is salutary to have an expert translation of the "funery in Latin" which lies above his head, which to my mind reveals what his son-in-law thought about him. I do not expect that this nuance will reach credibility until all aspects of Robert's origins and life are revealed. But let's start with the translation.

the funery plaque

 
"Here you see the pitiful tomb of Keylwey, who was the glory of his family and the race that wears the toga. Persuasion, Minerva and Trust, those goddesses who accompany justice, had bestowed upon him various gifts. While he, a man of caution, lay concealed in the shelter of a church, he suffered no envy, but his reputation grew more, just as it is safer for a tree to develop in secret, but then as time passes, it finally relies on its own strength. But even so he was not able to resist death, though this is for the best, while his bones rest gently in Christ. O Death, alas, who hate too much the happy talents men receive, in this way you drag all into your lair." (Thanks John Holland)
 
There is no doubt that The Harringtons designed and built the Memorial, and few spoke English let alone Latin. Despite the fact that John who married his only daughter was described as being " always affectionately loved as a son and a friend", Dear John chose at much expense to commision this valedictory, but it shows to me at least that what we are finding in our family are nuances of hereditary and property settlement, first explored by Warwick by relating events to history, and inter-reactions between various families for which we must take account..
 
Sorry To have gone so far, but Robert (1496-1581) confirmed as I will show was 85 when he died, and his entry in the DNB by Prof. Baker of Cambridge is fairly accurate. His relationship to the rest of the C/K family is only now becoming revealed!
 
Bruce
From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Jun 29, 2005
Subject: Rockborne C/Ks - Continuing Notes

It is good to see Bruce going after "Robert of W & L." We need to get that man placed in his proper order.

 
    Additional references for Sir William C/K (1st Knight):
1488.  At this date Sir William is living at Rockborne since the "Verders of New Forest agst. Robert Bulkely of Charford & William Kaylleway, esq. of Rockborne were summoned for "killing fawns, etc.
 
1501.  William Callwey, K. B. - knighted the day after the coronation of Queen Mary.
 
1502.  Wiltshire.  William Kaylwey, Knight - appointed Sheriff of Wiltshire (Fine Rolls, XXII)
 
1503.  An Inquisition held at New Salisbury before William Kayleway, Kt.  (Wiltshire Extents)
 
1504.  Inquisitions Post Mortem, Hen VII, Vol. 1 ---
#699.  THOMAS STOUFORD
    Writ 11 January, 18 Henry VII; inquisition 16 Oct 19 Henry VII.
    He was seised of the under-mentioned manor of Idelcot, being so seised by charter 4 October, 13 Edward IV, enfeoffed PHILIP STOUFORD and ALICE his wife thereof, to hold to them and the heirs begotten between them and they were, and still are, seised thereof in fee tail.
    He was seised of the under-mentioned land, &c. in Estbarlyngton, and being so seised, enfeoffed John Holand, Thomas Holand, Richard Hals and Thomas Shepton thereof, who being so seised, by their charter, 10 May 8 Edward IV, gave the same to the said PHILLIP and ALICE, and their heirs between them, with remainder to the said Thomas and his heirs, and they were, and still are, seised thereof accordingly in fee tail.
    He was seised of the under-mentioned land, &c. in Shappelegh Helyon in fee, and being so seised, by charter, 9 September, 11 Henry VII, enfeoffed Thomas Hacche, Thomas Giffard, William Bury and William Denbold thereof, who were seised thereof accordingly in fee; and afterwards the said William Bury died, and the others were, and still are, seised thereof in fee by survivorship.
    He died 8 January, 18 Henry VII, seised of the other under-mentioned land &c. in Gattecomb, &c. in fee.  The said PHILIP STOWFORD, aged 30 and more, is his son and heir.
 
DEVON
    Manor of Idecot and four carucates of land in Idelcote, worth 40s., held of William Kayelway, knight, as of his manor of CHEDYLDON, by knight service.
    A mesuage, 10 a. land, 1 a. meadow, 6 a. furze and heath, in Estbarlyngton, or Estbalrington, worth 5s., held of Francis Harrys, as of his manor of Hantisford, service unknown.
    A toft, 80a. land, 12 a. meadow, 20 a. furze and heath, in Gattecomb, worth 3l, held of Edward Pomerey, as of his manor of BERY POMEREY, service unknown.
    Twenty acres of land, called 'Caleford,' in the parish of Dowleton, worth 10s., held of Edward, earl of Devon, as of his manor of Dowleton, service unknown.
    Three messuages, 40 a. land, 6 a. meadow, in Puyston, in the parish of Dowlond, and 6d. rent and six cloves (sex clavis et ceroferrarii, or sex clovi cereferrarii) in Dowlond; four messuages in Escote and Staple; and 4s. rent in Bury; worth 40s., held of Elizabeth (sic), lady marchioness of Dorset, as of her manor of Head, service unknown.
    A messuage, 20 1/2 a. land, 4 a. meadow and 1 a. wood, in STOUFORD, worth 20s., held of William Cayleway, knight, as of his manor of CHEDELDON, service unknown.
    Two messuages, 3 a. land, in Furse, in the parish of Dowlaton, and 11s. 7d. rent yearly, in Halkeston, or Halkyston, Bucland or Buckeland, West Cuddeworthey, or Weste Cutteworthey and Furse, in the parish of Dowlaton, worth 13s. 4d., held of Margaret, countess of Richmond, as of her honor of Toryton, by knight service.
    A rent of 2s. 4d. in Clyf, of 2s. in Pytt, and of 3s. 3 1/2 d. in Goddeslond, or Goddysland, worth 4s., held of Richard, abbot of Tavistok, as of his manor of Boryngton, by knight-service.
    Twelve messuages, three tofts, a mill, 100 a. land, 20 a. meadow, 40 a. furze and heath, 1 lb. wax, 1/2 lb. pepper, and 14 1/2d. and a half farthing rent, in Shappelegh Helyon, or Sheppelegh Helyon, worth 100s., held of Edward, earl of Devon, as of his honor of Okehampton, by knight-service.
[C. Series II.  Vol. 17 (22)]
 
    Finally, I cannot resist this item, from The Victoria History of Somerset, Vol. VI, pp. 105-107 [any conclusions drawn are theirs, not mine.]
    There were three holdings called Otterhampton in 1066.........Part of Otterhampton manor (35) known later as Otterhampton Rumsey manor, was held in 1286 by Walter of Romsey, son and heir of Sir Walter of Romsey manor.  Walter, or another of the same name, died c1333 and his son, Sir John, died in 1334, leaving a son Walter, under age (36).  Sir Walter died in 1403 having settled Otterhampton on his wife Alice (d 1404) and on his grandson Walter, son of Thomas Romsey, who had predeceased his parents (37).  Walter died probably without issue as the estate was held by his elder brother Thomas (d. 1420) and Thomas's wife Joan (d. 1441).  Their daughter and heir Joan married Thomas Paine but died childless c1447 having granted her Somerset estates in 1443 to Henry Champeneys and his wife, Elizabeth, probably widow of Walter Romsey, for life (38).  Joan's heir to her Somerset estates was Joan wife of Roger Wyke, granddaughter of Sir Walter Romsey (d. 1403).  Joan and Roger [Wyke] settled certain lands on Joan, wife of John Cayleway and possibly their daughter, but remained in possession of most of the former Romsey lands in 1462 (39).
    William Cayleway and his wife Anne sold an estate described as one-third of Otterhampton Rumsey manor in 1542 to John St. Clere who in 1547 sold it to James Bowerman (40).....(and goes on citing sales to families not of interest to us).
(35)  Feudal Aids, iv, 308, 353; S.R.O, DD/NW 64.
(36)  S.R.O., TS/EVD; S.R.S. ix, pp 188-9; xii, 62, 163,         189; Cal. Fine R. 1327-37, 386-7.
(37)  Cal. Inq. p.m. xviii, pp. 328-9, 378-9; Cal. Close, 1402-    5, 434.
(38)  V.C.H. Hants, iv, 459; PRO, C 138/61, no. 76; C             139/131, no. 26; S.R.S xxii, 105.
(39)  V.C.H. Hants, iv, 459; S.R.S xxii, 110-11, 206.
(40)  PRO, CP 25(2)/36/241/34 Hen VIII Trin.; CP 25(2)/36/242/38 Hen. VIII Hil.
 
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jun 30, 2005
Subject: Rockborne C/Ks - Continuing Notes

Sherrill 

I think you have done it again, or are doing it.
 
We will have to sort out some of those names and spellings, but it is very clear that you now have evidence of a family link from Sir William back to Cheldon (almost certain that was Chedeldon) in Devon, where the Wiltshire family went before 1400, and which had been in family hands by 1325 at least - it had even been referred to with Mokesbeare.  (Cheldon House is still there.)
My supposition had always been that Thomas and John were the sons of Edmund.
You also have references to Dolton and Dowland as well - thence the Stowford family - well well!
(Much to think about.) 
 
I had a Thomas Calawey, alias Chamberleyne in 1445 also - who was he?
I am still a bit mystified that Philip and Alice Stowford were covered in a particular time frame, which suggests he lived between c1440 and 1503.  Never completely worked that long legged family through from around 1200, as there were no dates, but had a Philippe Kelloway marrying Alice Yeo much later - about 50 years - so presumably they were not the same pair.
 
In Wellington I picked up a pair of second hand books on Kings John, and Henry V (Also Roanoke actually.)
Notice you mention Henry V and Agincourt - have always wondered about our lot being there.
The books give a good insight into happenings at those times.  (From an Asian fellow's bookshop - had to pay for them at his massage parlour upstairs!!) 
John evidently wasn't such a poor type as painted - actually largely created the first paid navy - which in one sea battle took 300 French ships! 
 
The links are falling into place.
 
(I don't see the missing "Thomas generation" in the Rockbourne family though - only Sherborne - there were two Thomases back there - and maybe another son a bit later.)
 
See you working hard on Robert W&L Bruce - so it was 1496/7.  Like the Latin translation.
 
Must get some sleep - quite sure there is much much more to come. 
Warwick
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jul 1, 2005
Subject: Rockborne C/Ks - Continuing Notes

Hi all 

To explain a little more about that fuzzy 1400 period. 
 
We had a long series of family patrons at St Giles Cayllewey/Kaylewey Wiltshire.  They finished with Edmund de Kaylewey from 1376 to 1399, then a break from 1399 to 1405 with a Robert Stodleigh, and the last C/K John de Kayleways from 1405 to 1429, when the Bishop took over.
There appear to have been at least two Edmunds, as the first reference was in 1330.  He/they had an association with the Courtenay family, Earls of Devon, and it seems a Margaret de Courtenay may have had some place in the eventual loss of the manor.  In 1391 Edmund, and Thomas Caillewaye, presumably his son, were in a trespass dispute with Margaret.  Concerning exactly what we do not know, however Edmund and his wife lost the manor of Tuderyntone Kaylewey about 1394, although they retained the Chapel for life.
Edmund and Joan moved to, or built, Chenstone Manor at Chawleigh Devon, where in 1400 they built three chapels, St Marys, St James, and St Giles.  (The story was that after seven generations, the family moved west.) 
Edmund was Patron of Cheldon Rectory, 3km away, from 1396 to 1411, at least.
 
We are not clear just how/why the next scene is in Dorset, but it was probably consequent to Thomas marrying Joan Bingham about 1410, while John could have arrived from Wiltshire around 1430.  The next generation comprised another John, and our William of Sherborne, presumed sons of John, probably arrived about the same time as their father, perhaps earlier. 
In the accepted C/K manner, there is nothing definite as to who was who, however it seems reasonable to accept that while Edmund moved to Devon, possibly with his eldest son Thomas, his (younger?) son John went back to the Wiltshire manor a few years later, in 1405.  John appears to have had the two sons, John and William (of Sherborne).  William, and more particularly his son Sir William, were presumably later to inherit the much discussed estates, through William's father John - I suggest the younger brother of that first Thomas.
 
A curious coincidental reference I have noticed, relative to the Devon/Stowford/Stafford Barton families, is that in 1423 Thomas Stowforde and Joan his wife received Licencia Celebrandi to hold divine service in their houses in Stafford Barton and Colyton.  Could this possibly be Thomas and Joan C/K, at the end of Thomas's life?  Was Stafford Barton by then fully integrated with the eastern properties (it was said the two families intermarried)?
It may be worth having another look at the descent of the Stowford/Stafford Barton line.  There were several Philips, Thomases, a William, and a pair of Robarts.  (I had always presumed they remained in Devon however.)
 
I still see the references to the family at "Stowfords" in Devon and Dorset.  (There is also a place in Devon called Stowford some distance from Stafford Barton).  And Stapleford, near Salisbury in Wiltshire, where Edmund may have been living about 1364, and which is only 1 km for yet another Sto(w)ford.
 
Previously I had noted that about 1410 Thomas of Stowford married a Prouz heiress of Gatford, in Colyton.  This seemed to be simply a reference to one of the Stafford Barton family, but, that family did seem to share the C/K and Stowford names at the time, and the names and dates are very close to those of our Dorset friends.
 
The other point is the reference to Colyton and Stafford Barton together - hence John of Colyton/Cullompton?  
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jul 1, 2005
Subject: Rockborne C/Ks - Continuing Notes

Wow! You guys are leading me a merry dance. I just familiarise myself with Dorset and here you are whipping in and out of Devon and Wiltshire. What has happened to our original construction with the LE CALAWE.

 
JOHN 11 LE CALAWE b.1260 Terintone Wiltshire died 1308 Dorset father of
JOHN 111 LE CALAWE 1280-1388 (Giffard inheritor) father of
EDMUND LE CALAWE 1360 Sherbourne father of
WILLIAM KELLAWAY of Sherbourne c.1400-1469
 
Or am I constantly 'blinking" (Like young Bill Piper) and missing something!
 
Grumble, grumble,
Bruce
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jul 1, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - revisiting

You will by now be familiar with the memorial in Exton Church to Robert W&L as we call him, or Wards and Liveries for those not so familiar. The Church is undergoing restoration hence the plastic drapes, and note the head of my Grandson Scott, observing his 500 year old 'ancestor' Robert with his daughter Ann and dutiful son-in-law Harrington prayerfully in front of his tomb. You will also have received the Latin transcription of the plaque above his tomb, suitably emended by Prof. Sir John Baker, Queens Counsellor of Cambridge University with regards to his "toga" (gown) and his residence in the Inns of Temple rather than a church'.(Pics of these residences will follow if anyone is interested)

 
The pic following (of the framed summary of his life seen in the above pic) firmly states both his date of death and his age, but, I am mindful of Sherrill's misgivings concerning this and therefore have to question its accuracy and authority. Certainly all this appears not only in the Church, but in Baker's contribution to the DNB (Dictionary of National Biography) but how often have we proved the history books to be incorrect. 
Bruce

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jul 1, 2005
Subject: Robert of W. & L. - revisiting

Monument to Robert Keylwey

This alleges to be a translation of the inscription below his tomb (not photographed Geoff!). In case you do not have 'blow up' facilities, it reads:

" Here lies Robert Keylwey a distinguished esquire amongst civilians (whilst he lived) renowned for talent learning and virtue, who, loved retirement. Lived as a Christian and died in the Lord on the 22nd of February in the year of our Salvation, 1580 and the 84th year of his age. He left Anne his sole heiress and only most dearly loved daughter married to John Harrington of Exton Knt. whom he had always affectionately loved as a son and a friend by which Anne the said John had during the life of the aforesaid Robert two children, a son Kelwey who died Dec 2nd 1570 21 weeks old, and lies here buried with his grandfather, and also a daughter Lucy still surviving and may God grant her a long life. To pay therefore a just tribute to so dear and affectionate a parent and to leave to posterity an evidence of their deep gratitude the said John and Anne have raised this monument and dedicated it to their father, Keylwey and their son Keylwey (to their lasting memory if it so please God )and design it if God will as a sepulchre for theselves also."


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Jul 1, 2005
Subject: Rockborne C/Ks - Continuing Notes

Bruce 

Thanks for the increasing Robert W&L information.
 
We are jumping/blinking around a lot - but we are picking up scraps and tasty morsels on the way - and the picture develops.
You are now blinking back even further.  Beware though that we do not get too many centenarians.
My suggestion, based initially upon the St Giles register (for the arrival of new patrons there), some other scraps, and some supposition, would be (birth dates approx., also several deaths):
 
John      1260-1308            Register began in 1304 
John      1285-1336            The John who nearly inherited the Giffard property
(William  1310-1336)          Something strange here - seem to have been two Williams - one died v. soon?
William   1315-1376           Apparent 40 year patronage - suspect there was some break in the direct line
Edmund  1350-1412           Went to Chawleigh Devon (His father could have been an Edmund)
Thomas   1375-1422           Son of Edmund, the Bingham husband
John       1375-1429/1440   Son of Edmund, the last Wiltshire Patron
John       1400-1467           The son of John (seems to have had son John c 1448, but no further descendants)
William    1400-1469           William of Sherborne, son of John
Thomas   1430-1465           Son of first family of William
William    1440-1507           Sir William of Rockbourne
 
Won't go back any earlier.  Most of the earlier men also related to Mokesbeare.
There did also seem to be some sort of match with Thomas - John - Thomas in Devon between 1375-1440. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Jul 3, 2005
Subject: Bapton

I think that we may have discussed this before, but as we struggle with the family relationships at this time, it may be worth re-visiting.

 
Bruce
 
Subject: Bapton
The ownership of an estate in BAPTON, then claimed as a 'manor', was contested in the early 16th century between members of the Kellaway family and other suitors. Some time between 1486 and 1493 or between 1504 and 1505 a Thomas Hymerford claimed to have been seised of the 'manor', but to have been deprived of the deeds by Thomas Kellaway, (Footnote 68) and in the period 1532–44 Edmund, son of Thomas Estcourt, laid a similar charge against Robert Kellaway. (Footnote 69) In 1545 a John Kellaway was living in Bapton, (Footnote 70) and it was no doubt he who in 1566 bought out Edmund Estcourt's interests in Fisherton and other places (Footnote 71) and who died in 1568 seised of a capital messuage and lands in Bapton and Tisbury, held of the Marquess of Winchester as of Fisherton manor. (Footnote 72) There is some reason to think that Robert and Thomas Kellaway, mentioned above, were respectively his father and grandfather. (Footnote 73) If this is so, then John's great-grandfather was called William Kellaway. William married a Joan Barret, and in 1413 a John Barret was holding land in Bapton, Tisbury, and other nearby places, which he acquired from his cousin, Thomas Payne, who, in his turn, had acquired them from his father-in-law, John Ellis. This Ellis had another son-in-law, called Walter Estcott—presumably the same as Estcourt. (Footnote 74) It is possible that it was through the gift of John Payne to John Barret that the Kellaway lands in Bapton were first acquired and the claim to those lands by Edmund Estcourt first set up.

John Kellaway was succeeded in the capital messuage by his son Henry. (Footnote 75) He and his son Robert leased the property to Joan Hibberd and Henry Hoskins, her son, in succession, and in 1599 this lease was renewed to Hoskins alone. This second lease took effect about 1620. (Footnote 76) In 1625 Robert Kellaway, his son Robert, and a third person sold the freehold, under the name of Bapton Farm, to Sir Edward Wardour, (Footnote 77) who by 1627 had also acquired the interest in the lease of 1599. (Footnote 78) Wardour, in turn, sold it in 1627 to John Davis, a yeoman from North Wraxall, (Footnote 79) who in 1626 had married Joan Hoskins (d. c. 1654), (Footnote 80) presumably Henry's relict. The property remained in the Davis family, who eventually acquired Fisherton manor and almost all the land in Fisherton and Bapton, (Footnote 81) until 1871

From: 'Fisherton de la Mere', A History of the County of Wiltshire: Volume VIII: Warminster, Westbury and Whorwellsdown Hundreds (1965), pp. 34-46. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16075&strquery=Kellaway. Date accessed: 03 July 2005.


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Aug 26, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Bruce,
While I was looking over some of my old documents following the Te Puke talk - not a bad idea occasionally - I rediscovered a file on Roger de Beaumont, from the Companions of the Conqueror (http://www.patpnyc.com/conq/beaumont.shtml).  In it there is a very good description of Robert, his father Roger, and his descendants, including twin sons Waleran and Robert.

What I picked out was that they were also Counts de Meulant. (Robert was one of the confirmed Companions of the Conqueror.) Roger was described as the noblest, wealthiest and most valiant seigneur of Normandy.    Descended from the Kings of Denmark, after his alliance with Adelina of Meulant, he adopted her name as his own.  Their family after the conquest provided the Earls of Leicester, Warwick and Bedford in England, while also retaining the title of Count of Meulan in France. Robert c1045-1118, from his second marriage to Elizabeth de Vermandois, an equally high born lady, produced twin sons Waleran and Robert in 1104.  The twins were brought up by King Henry I after the death of their father.  Robert became Earl of Leicester, Waleran Count of Meulan.

This is where we come in. Hawisa was the granddaughter of the Earl of Leicester, and married Philip de Caillouet.  After being widowed, somewhere between 1150-65, she married the Earl of Gloucester. We wondered what standing Philip had to have married her in the first place.

In the notes on Evreux that Bill Piper discovered, there is reference to an Alexander de Caillouet being the Huntsman of Robert II of Meulan. Unfortunately, frustratingly, no details or dates were given, but it would now appear likely that Robert II would have followed his father Waleran as Count, making him somewhere about the same age as Hawisa and Philip.

A huntsman was a senior position, and kings could refer to themselves as huntsmen.  It is probable therefore that Alexander and Philip (brother/cousin?) were, if not related in some way to the Beaumonts, from a family of similar ranking. (Note there was an Alexander de Kellawe in Durham in the early 1200s.)

The next point I recalled was in the Heraldic Information provided by Riestap (attached).  The only arms from Normandy for Caillouet or Cailli were Caillouey and Calloue, both with three eagles displayed.  There were no Normandy Caillis, but a Cailly from the Ile de France, and a baron Cailli from Angl. - M. et(?), with quite different arms, one of cotices, the other cherubins. This suggests different families, but I also recall mention of possible descent of the Caillis from Charlemagne, which might be suggested by the eagles, a symbol of the Holy Roman Empire.

There are also some references from Burke indicating the Kaloway and Devon Kelley arms of the chevron and three leopards faces.  The manorial Kellys also have a chevron, but with three billets, while some Stowfords have a chevron with three bulls faces, others the "grappling irons" and pears.

The mention of the Kellys of Castle Kelly in Galway Ireland intrigued me, particularly after last week's Celtic lecture stating that many of the Irish names are Norman, and that they would mix C, K and G.  How did Galway get that name? (Checking Google suggests the Irish as might be expected are somewhat
confused themselves, and think there may be some eight sources of the Kelly name, their second most common.)
Have fun with this.
Warwick

Heraldic Information

P.S.
I have noticed one small boo boo, in referring to Hawisa as the granddaughter of Robert.
She was in fact his daughter - Hawise de Beaumont of Leicester, Countess of Gloucester, born c 1129, married c 1150 to Philip de Chailewai, later to William Earl of Gloucester, died 24 April 1197.
Her daughter, Hadwiga/Isabella, by William, was the first wife of Prince John, later King John.  (marriage annulled on the grounds of consanguinity - they were second cousins.)
Her father was called Robert "Bossu" de Beaumont, her mother was Amice de Gael, daughter of Ralph de Waiet, born c 1040, Seigneur of Gael and Earl of Norfolk.
Philip and Hawisa had at least three children, Philip, Hugh and a daughter.  It seems likely that their father died when they were young, and they would presumably have been brought up by the Gloucesters as the half brothers and sister to young Isabella.
 
Warwick

From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Aug 26, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Bruce,
In case Bill's Evreux file is deep in your archives, I attach a copy. Note that Alexander the Huntsman held the fiefdom of Caillouet. A small note, but could be important, particularly if we could obtain more information.
Warwick

Some Caillouet History


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Aug 28, 2005
Subject: Hawisa

Sherrill
I have looked back into my shoebox, or rather room-size totally disorganised filing system, to retrieve my earlier research on Hawisa.
She was indeed a very high born lady, descended from many/most of the Royal Houses of Europe. We do really have to lift the status of Philip to have married her. How he died we have no idea.  He was presumably, although not necessarily, fairly young.  (Roger de Beaumont was a relatively old man when his sons Robert and Waleran were born.) And we still know nothing about Philip.
Regards
Warwick


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Aug 28, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Otherwise there have been comments about dogs with bones but, so far as I know no-one yet has been able to access the Gloucester Pipe Rolls of 1165.  The original early reference to the C/Klan. Very frustrating. Anyway I have tried Google. It seems the 1165 GPR was intended to raise money for the Welsh Campaign of that year. I have not yet been able to search for information on the campaign, but whether Philip was only being asked for money, or actually participating, remains unknown. However he was presumably of fighting age.  Was he one of the "sergeants"?  Did he come home? Is this the missing explanation to the Hawisa story?
I am attaching the Google pages below.
Warwick


Appendix: The 1165 Levy for the Army of Wales

By Paul Latimer

from the article, "Henry II's Campaign against the Welsh in 1165"

The Pipe Rolls, which are limited as a source in being primarily concerned with the financial interests of the exchequer, reveal four origins of resources for the campaign of 1165:

i) expenditure allowed against the sheriff's farm or against other debts on the rolls;
ii) aids from boroughs, cities, moneyers, etc.;
iii) scutage on the servitia debita of some fiefs, lay and ecclesiastical;
iv) financial assessments on individuals, lay and ecclesiastical, concerning serjeants raised for the campaign.

It is this last set of entries which is clearly related to the agreements made at Northampton in October 1164.

            The Pipe Rolls allow us to reach an imperfect estimate, in financial terms, of the resources raised for, and devoted to, the campaign. Identifying as campaign expenditure monies allowed against the sheriffs' farms or against other debts on the rolls is a problem. There were expenses associated with the movement of the king and his retinue, whether he was on campaign or not. Where 25s. was allowed against the farm of the borough of Gloucestershire pro corredio Regis portando ad Wirecestriam et ad Salopesberiam in 1164-65, it would be wrong to treat it as extraordinary expenditure, even though it was clearly associated with the king's presence on the Welsh border. Yet as £100 was allowed against a series of debts in Northamptonshire ad opus familia Regis it seems likely that the familia Regis was unusually swollen, perhaps with household knights.[1] Similarly, the purchases of food or even the repair and garrisoning of castles cannot automatically be associated with the campaign. Any estimate of campaign expenditure on the rolls must therefore be treated with caution. According to my calculations, around £900 was almost certainly campaign expenditure and in all as much as £1,500 was probably associated with the campaign. The aids from the boroughs, etc., the scutage and the other assessments for knights and serjeants are more easily quantified.

The Pipe Rolls do not tell us everything. The lack of any records of the royal chamber may hide money raised for, or spent on, the campaign. Also, it would not be surprising if the king had raised loans to meet some of his campaign expenditure. Only incidentally do the rolls give us any information on personal service performed with the king's host or in the king's castles. But even from what the Pipe Rolls tell us, we can say that the campaign of 1165 probably cost in excess of £7,500, a very substantial sum by any measure. 

 

Table I

Account for on PR

1164-65

paid*

1164-65

Paid before

1168-69

Pardoned

before

1168-69

Aid of Boroughs,

moneyers, etc.

£1263

£1186

£1230

£11

Scutage

£1607

£1134

£1199

£368

Assessments for

sergjeants and

knights

 

£3360

 

£2309

 

£2379

 

£880

Totals

£6230

£4629

£4808

£1259

*Payments include expenditure allowed against debts 

The tenancies-in-chief, lay and ecclesiastical, assessed for scutage in 1165 were charged on the basis of one mark (13s. 4d.) per knight's fee. In many cases the number of knight's fees assessed can be identified with the servitia debita of the tenancies.[2] Among these, Gilbert Foliot, bishop of London, was exceptional in that he was assessed for scutage on his servitium debitum of twenty knights, and also for a separate sum de promissione servientibus.[3]  In many other cases, the number of fees assessed cannot be compared with the servitia debita because the latter are unknown to us, but there are examples where the number of fees assessed differed from known servitia debita.[4]  The archibishopric of Canterbury, in royal custody since Becket's disgrace in 1164, was assessed for £113 de militibus de Archiepiscopatu de 2 exercitibus. This amounts to a double charge on 844 knights' fees, a low estimate of the archbishopric's total enfeoffment, but in excess of the servitium debitum of 60 knights.[5]

It was J. H. Round who first clearly identified a separate group of assessments on the 1164-65 Pipe Roll, distinct from the scutage assessments, based on a unit of 15s. 3d. and related to the promises made at Northampton in October 1164.[6]  These assessments concerned a great variety of multiples of the 15s. 3d. unit (1-6, 10, 15, 20, 22, 30, 40, 50, 100, 140, 200, 300).[7]  Round noted that the usual pay for a serjeant at this time was Id. per day and that therefore 15s. 3d. “would represent six month's pay (for a year of 366 days)”.[8]  It is worth examining this suggestion in some detail as it is crucial to an understanding of the units of assessment of this levy.

There is support for Round's 1d. per day rate of pay for serjeants on the Pipe Rolls of the 1160s, where in some entries both the number of serjeants and the number of days are stated. In 1161-62 £30 6s. 8d. was allowed against the sheriff's farm in Kent in liberatione 20 servientum de toto anno.[9]  This works out at a wage rate of 1d. per day, reckoned on a year of 364 days. In the following year's Pipe Roll under the same county, a payment of £14 6s. 8d. was allowed for twenty serjeants over a period of 172 days (20 x 1d. x 172 = 3440d. = £14 6s. 8d.).[10]  In 1166-67 payment at the same rate was made for two serjeants over 176 days (2 x 1d. x 176 = 3524. = £1 9s. 4d.).[11]  In 1167-68 the payments for 40 serjeants for 29 weeks and for 20 serjeants for 23 weeks were £33 16s. 8d. and £13 8s. 4d. respectively (40 x 1d. x 29 x 7 = 8120d. = £33 16s. 8d. ; 20 x 1 d. x 23 x 7 = 3220d. = £ 13 8s. 4d.) .[12]

We can be fairly certain that the 15s. 3d. unit concerned the pay of one serjeant only. If the unit were to represent the pay of two serjeants it would have to cover a period of 91½ days, which seems unlikely. It is just possible that 15s. 3d. may represent the pay of three serjeants for one-sixth of a 366-day year, that is, 61 days, but this too is improbable. In the case of the bishop of Hereford's assessment for the 1165 campaign, the charge was for £76 5s. - 100 of the 15s. 3d. units. This entry specifically refers to 100 serjeants.[13]  We can therefore agree with Round that 15s. 3d. was the ‘pecuniary equivalent’ of one serjeant for 183 days, or half a year.

            J. H. Round noted only one unit of assessment among the proffers of serjeants for 1165. This was a mistake. Conan, earl of Richmond, for example, accounted for £227 10s.[14]  This assessment was not based on a servitium debitum, nor was it a multiple of the 15s. 3d. unit. T. K. Keefe has identified this assessment and a number of other assessments made in 1165 as multiples of a 15s. 2d. unit (300 x 15s. 2d. = £227 10s.), but could see no reason for this `subtle adjustment'.[15]  It is possible to regard the 15s. 2d., like the 15s. 3d. unit, as representing the money equivalent of a serjeant employed for half a year, the only difference being that the 15s. 3d. unit reckoned on a 366-day year and the 15s. 2d. unit reckoned on a 364-day year. There are, however, reasons for questioning this interpretation.

In only one case among the proffers for serjeants and knights does the Pipe Roll entry record the period concerned. Hugh, earl of Norfolk accounted for £227 10s. - the same as the earl of Richmond - de militibus et servientibus exercitus Walie de quarta parti anni.[16]  Keefe seems to treat the three-month period as a probable maximum length of service for all the serjeants raised and financed in 1165, but this ignores the implications of Round's work on the 15s. 3d. unit.[17]  Ninety-one days was the best estimate of a quarter of a year in terms of a whole number of days. A serjeant's pay at 1d. per day for 91 days would amount to 91d. or 7s. 7d..  This rather than 15s. 2d. was the alternative unit of assessment.[18]  As Keefe correctly noted, most of the assessments involving the 7s. 7d. unit were in Yorkshire and Northumberland.[19]  There is a possible explanation for this. If we can suppose some connection between the county under which the assessments were recorded and the districts where the serjeants themselves were levied, it would not be unreasonable for serjeants levied in areas most distant from Wales to be contracted for shorter periods of service. It would not be stretching things too far to include the earl of Norfolk in this category.

            The earl of Norfolk's assessment specified de militibus et servientibus rather than serjeants alone. How this arrangement might work is suggested by the Pipe Roll entry for Richard, earl of Pembroke. He accounted for £76 5s. (100 x 15s. 3d.), but was pardoned the whole amount propter 20 milites et 40 servientes quos duxit in exercitu cum Regis.[20] If the serjeants were paid 1d. per day for 183 days and the milites served for the same period, the latter would have been paid at 3d. per day. There are two plausible objections to this. First, half a year was greatly in excess of the usual forty days or six-weeks knight-service period. Secondly, 3d. per day seems low compared to the usual 8d. per day for knights in the 1160s. In answering these objections, it is necessary to bear in mind that the entry for the earl of Norfolk suggests that both serjeants and milites served for the same quarta parti anni. Though less than half a year, this was still in excess of the usual knight-service term. We are not concerned here with the commuting of customary obligations and pay rates may have differed in differing circumstances. It is also possible that the milites in these entries represented some kind of mounted serjeant rather than a full knight.[21]

The Pipe Roll entry relating to the earl of Pembroke's assessment raises the question of the meaning of some other pardons of assessment. In the case of the earl of Pembroke, the meaning is explicit: he was pardoned on account of the serjeants and milites he had led in the king's host. Among the scutage assessments and borough aid assessments, the meaning of the pardons and deductions is sometimes equally explicit. The honor of Peverel of London was charged £34 6s. 8d. (51½  marks). Of this, £13 6s. 8d. was accounted for by five militibus euntibus in exercitum.[22]  This was enough to pay these five knights 8d. per day for eighty days. The honor of Lancaster was pardoned ten marks for ten militibus qui fuerunt in exercitu cum rege.[23]  This was a reduction in the honor's assessment at the bare rate of the scutage itself - one mark per fee. At 8d. per day, ten marks would support the ten knights for a mere twenty days. A deduction of £38 was made from the assessment of the archbishopric of Canterbury for 19 militibus euntibus in exercitum. This was enough to support the nineteen knights at 8d. per day for sixty days.[24] Less clear is the entry for the city of London. The city was pardoned 68s. from its aid for eight servientibus Regis.[25]   This sum does not relate to either the 15s. 3d. unit or the 7s. 7d. unit, but at Id. per day would support the eight serjeants for 102 days.

Most pardons from the scutage and the serjeanty assessments did not refer explicitly to knights or serjeants. However, where pardons referred to specific sub-tenants of a tenancy-in-chief, there is the possibility that they were in respect of personal service performed by those sub-tenants. For example, in Devon Robert fitz Regis accounted for 100 marks de militibus. £61 13s. 4d. was paid and the rest was pardoned to individuals: £1 13s. 4d. to Robert fitz Bernard, 6s. 8d. to William fitz John and £3 to Hugh de Ra:ega. It is interesting that these pardons relate to the whole and fractional fees held by the sub‑tenants and not to any number of actual knights on campaign. This is what we should expect. Knight-service in the king's host merited an exemption from scutage, but was not itself related to precise enfeoffments. There was no servitium debitum for sub-tenants in relation to the king, but the concept was the same.[26]

            Pardons referring to individual sub-tenants also occur in some of the assessments for serjeants based on the 15s. 3d. and 7s. 7d. units. For example, out of the £76 5s. accounted for by the bishop of Bath (100 x 15s. 3d.), £1 13s. 4d. was pardoned to Henry fitz William fitz John and El 13s. 4d. to Robert Bucherel.[27] It is noteworthy that these pardons were in terms of marks and fractions of marks, even though the bishop of Bath's assessment was not scutage.

The exchequer made a close identification between serjeants and the money needed for their pay. In the cases of Radulf de Salcei and Hugh de Buckland, their assessments and the pardons of their assessments were expressed in terms of serjeants and not in terms of money.[28]  It is always possible in cases where a money assessment related to a service due or promised that a pardon of that assessment reflected the performance of that service, even where this is not stated explicitly.

Henry II's intention to concentrate on the levying of foot soldiers for the campaign against the Welsh is reflected in the fact that 67.6 per cent of the total assessments against tenancies-in-chief were based on the 15s. 3d. and 7s. 7d. units, rather than on the 13s. 4d. (one mark) unit of the scutage. The serjeanty assessments were on average considerably heavier than the scutage assessments. I have calculated that the money-value of the serjeanty assessments against tenancies-in-chief was on average 3.57 times the amount that would have been charged against the same tenancies if they had been assessed for scutage at one mark per fee.[29]  If we look at the amounts paid on the serjeanty assessments and scutage assessments during the five years from 1164-65 to 1168-69, rather than the initial assessments, the picture alters only slightly. In this period 74.6 per cent of the scutage assessments and 70.8 per cent of the serjeanty assessments were paid. J. H. Round described the serjeanty assessments as ‘arbitrary’.[30]  There was certainly no fixed relationship between the number of serjeanty units and the number of knights' fees on the tenancies concerned, but the two were still quite closely correlated. The serjeanty assessments, in a rough and ready way, did take into account the ability to pay.[31]

Ecclesiastical tenancies-in-chief were particularly heavily hit. Most of them were assessed for serjeants rather than for scutage, and for both in the case of the bishop of London. Although the assessments on the Church accounted for only 13.4 per cent of the total scutage assessments, they accounted for 48.5 per cent of the serjeanty assessments by value and for 55.4 per cent of the payments on these assessments in the first five years. Even where Church tenancies-in-chief were not assessed for serjeants, they did not necessarily escape lightly. We have already seen that the archbishopric of Canterbury was assessed for two scutages, and the bishop of Durham was assessed for 100 marks de dono suo, an amount that was far in excess even of a scutage on the see's total enfeoffment.[32]  In the context of the king's dispute with Becket and of the desire and need of the other bishops to appease the king, it is understandable that the Church's assessments were so high.

There is some regional variation in the impact of the levy in all its forms. The counties bordering Wales were particularly lightly assessed. For Cheshire and the earl of Chester's palatinate earldom there is no Pipe Roll record, but even in Shropshire and Staffordshire no tenancies-in-chief were assessed, and in Gloucestershire and Herefordshire there were relatively few assessments. It seems likely that this regional imbalance reflects the amount of personal service performed by the knights of the border counties.

The raising of money by a levy specifically designed to finance large numbers of foot soldiers for a campaign was a novel and effective experiment. The ‘arbitrary’ dona levied from ecclesiastical tenants-in-chief for the Toulouse campaign in 1159 had been on a much more restricted scale, had been in addition to scutage rather than an alternative, and had only the general purpose of raising money for the campaign. The 1165 experiment, with its 15s. 3d. and 7s. 7d. units of assessment, does not seem to have been repeated by Henry II, though in 1172, for the levy to finance the Irish campaign, some tenants-in-chief were exempted from scutage because they had sent money not accounted for on the Pipe Rolls. Other expedients for raising additional money for campaigns were used by Richard I and John.[33]

The money paid on the serjeanty assessment in the first year of the 1164‑65 levy (£2,309 - 68.7 per cent of the assessments) would alone have been sufficient to pay over 3,000 serjeants for six months. This was in addition to the money used out of normal revenues, the money from scutage, from the dona of the towns, and any personal knight-service performed. Although the serjeanty assessments were generally heavy, particularly so on the Church, there seems to have been no complaint. The king had asked for help at Northampton in October 1164 and the baronage responded. The Church may have had its own special reasons for cooperating, and many of the lay baronage had a personal or family interest in the defence of the lands of the Normans in Wales, but we should not dismiss the power of a general obligation to king and feudal lord.[34] 

1. PR 11 Henry II, pp. 14, 95-96.

2. Henry de Ria; William de Colkirk; Roger de Kentswell; the bishop of London; Robert de Valognes; Alban de Heron; Walter II de Bolbec; Richard fitz Nigel; Gilbert de Bolbec; William de Serintone; Robert d'Aubigny; Bernard de Bailliol; Robert de Caro; William fitz Aluric; Walter fitz William; Richard Bertram; Gilbert de Boolun; Radulf de Worcester; Arnulf de Moirewick; John fitz Odard; Walter de Aincourt; Richard de Hay; Reginald de Crevequer; Amphrey de Chauncy; Simon de Chauncy; the abbess of Wilton; Richard de Grimstead; Robert de Pont de I'Arche; Henry Lovell; Henry de Cuture; Bernard Pulien; the abbot of Sherborne; the abbot of Cerne; the abbot of Middleton; the abbot of Abbotsbury; Walkelin Hareng; Oliver de Linquir; Philip de Hampton; the abbot of Tavistock; William fitz Reginald; Radulf de Vautort; Robert fitz Geoffrey; William d'Aubigny Brito; Hubert fitz Radulf; Radulf Hanselin; Robert de Caux; Roger de Burun; Robert de Cioches; William de Ros: PR 11 Henry II, passim. For the servitia debita, see Keefe, Feudal Assessments, app. II, pp. 157-88.

3. PR 11 Henry II, p. 19.

4. Richard de Raimes; William Martel; the bishop of Durham; William Trussebut; William Fossard; Randulf fitz Walter; Gerard Giffard; William de Briouze; the honor of Tickhill; Robert Foliot; Baderun de Monmouth; the archbishopric of Canterbury: ibid., pp. 20, 38, 50, 59, 80, 88, 96, 101, 109; Keefe, Feudal Assessments, app. II, pp. 157-88. Only in the cases of Tickhill and the archbishopric of Canterbury can the difference be explained by the fact that honors were in royal custody.

5. PR 11 Henry 11, p. 109; Keefe, Feudal Assessments, p. 157 and n. A second exercitus is also mentioned on the Pipe Rolls in the entry relating to the honor of Walter Giffard, earl of Buckingham (d. 1164), in royal custody in 1165. The custodian, Geoffrey fitz William, accounted for £29 de militibus, that is, 43 1/2  marks, but he also accounted for 8 marks de secundo exercitu: PR 11 Henry II, p. 25. Neither of these figures represents a likely servitium debitum and the total enfeoffment of the honor was 96 knights' fees: Keefe, Feudal Assessments, p. 173 and n. The extremely small assessment de secundo exercitu is difficult to explain and the entire entry is something of a puzzle. For the question of multiple exercitus connected with this campaign, cf. above p. 532.

6. Round, Feudal England, p. 283.

7. See, for example, PR I1 Henry II, pp. 8, 13, 37, 58, 66, 70, 80, 105.

8. Round, Feudal England, pp. 282-83.

9. PR 8 Henry II, p. 53.

10. PR 9 Henry II, p. 69.

11. PR 13 Henry II, p. 208.

12. PR 14 Henry II, p. 124.

13. PR 12 Henry II, p. 84.

14. PR 11 Henry II, p. 49.

15. T. K. Keefe, 'The 1165 Levy for the Army of Wales', Notes and Queries, CCXXVII (1982), 194‑95.

16. PR 11 Henry II, p. 7.

17. ‘Whatever the reason, both rates were roughly calculated to support knights and/or serjeants only, for a lengthy campaign in Wales, perhaps as long as three months.’: Keefe, 'The 1165 Levy', p. 195.

18. 600 x 7s. 7d. = £227 10s. Keefe also identifies a third unit of assessment - 15s. 2 Zd. The bishop of Norwich accounted for £76 Os. l0d. , which amounts to 100 of these units. Keefe links with this entry the assessment of the count of Eu, who accounts for £ 152 0s. 10d., although this does not represent an exact multiple of any of the units of assessment, for example, 200 x 15s. 2½d. = £152 1s. 8d.: Keefe, 'The 1165 Levy', p. 195; PR 11 Henry II, pp. 7, 92. There are two plausible explanations for the ‘15s. 2½d. unit’ in the case of the bishop's entry. It could be that the half-year was reckoned precisely - 365/2 = 182½ = 15s. 2½d. Alternatively, the unit may have been, not 15s. 2½d., but £ 1  10s. 5d. , as pay for a whole year (50 x 365 = £76 0s. 10d.). In 1166-67, Walter Coterellus, Durand de Rothomagense, Hugo Scin', Hosannah Contrevent, and a porter were each paid £ 1 10s. 5d. from the farm of Herefordshire: PR 12 Henry II, p. 69.

19. Keefe, 'The 1165 Levy', p. 195.

20. PR II Henry H, p. 13.

21. For a recent discussion concerning periods of knight-service and the pay of knights in relation to scutage, see Keefe, Feudal Assessments, pp. 37‑40. The daily rate of pay attributed to milites certainly did vary in the 1160s. In 1161-62 the pay on one occasion for 7 milites de toto anno was £84 18s. 8d. , which represents 8d. per day for 364 days: PR 8 Henry II, p. 53. In 1163-64 the pay for 9 milites and 4 serjeants at Walton and Dover for the period of 170 days amounted to £28 6s. 8d. Assuming that the serjeants' pay was Id. per day, then the pay of the milites would have been 4d. per day: PR 10 Henry II, p. 46. In 1164-65 live milites at Dover were paid £25 for 150 days - 8d. per day - but the pay for 60 milites and 300 serjeants with Earl Reginald of Cornwall for 43 days amounted to £182 15s. 0d.: PR 11 Henry II, p. 2. This last entry permits two possible interpretations. Either the pay of the milites was 12d. per day and the serjeants' pay 1d. per day, or the pay of the milites was 7d. per day and the serjeants' pay 2d. per day. The latter possibility indicates that we should not take it for granted that serjeants were always paid at the 1d. per day rate.

22. PR 11 Henry II, p. 20. An interesting deduction from this honor's account was of 5 marks to Stephen de Beauchamp de servientibus quos reddet alibi. In his own right, Stephen de Beauchamp proffered £7 12s. 6d. (10 x 15s. 3d): ibid. Apparently, he was excused his obligations as a sub-tenant of the honor of Peverel of London because of his proffer for serjeants on his tenancy-in-chief.

23. PR 11 Henry II, p. 33.

24. Ibid., p. 109. The variation in the treatment of actual service by knights of these honors is interesting. It may represent a transitional stage in the tendency towards proper support of contingents less than the servitium debitum of the king's tenants-in-chief: see Keefe, Feudal Assessments, p. 40.

25. PR 11 Henry II, p. 53.

26. Ibid., p. 80.

27. Ibid., p. 66. In some cases, the sub-tenants whose scutage was pardoned recur under more than one honor. For example, Robert fitz Bernard (ibid., pp. 13, 80); William Malet (ibid., pp. 42(2), (109); Robert Bucherel (ibid., 42, 66(2)); Henry fitz William fitz John (ibid., pp. 42, 66, 81); Richard de Camville (ibid., pp. 49, 83); William de Hastings (ibid., p. 83(3)). This reinforces the idea that the scutage of these sub-tenants was excused because of their personal service.

28. Ibid., pp. 71, 75.

29. This is based on the total enfeoffments of these tenancies. Servitia debita were in most cases less than the total enfeoffments. The average of 3.57 is an arithmetic mean from a highly variable set of figures standard deviation 3.61.

30. Round noticed that there were several examples of tenancies of one knight's fee charged for five serjeants (5 x 15s. 3d.), but correctly stated that there was no fixed relationship between the number of knights' fees and the number of serjeants proffered: Round, Feudal England, pp. 282-83.

31. The correlation coefficient of the number of knights' fees (total enfeoffment) in relation to the number of serjeants assessed was 0.83. The bishop of Winchester's assessment was perhaps an example of this rough and ready equity. He accounted for £228 15s. (200 x 15s. 3d.): PR 11 Henry II, p. 42. This was the highest of all the ecclesiastical assessments, but, as Keefe has suggested, could be justified on the grounds that the bishop was accounting for the abbey of Glastonbury as well as the bishopric: Keefe, Feudal Assessments, pp. 27, 29 and n. 52.

32. PR 11 Henry II, p. 50; Keefe, Feudal assessments, p. 157 and n. 4.

33. PR 18 Henry II, pp. 30, 60; Keefe, Feudal Assessments, p. 29.

34. Even if only the principal baronial honors in Wales are considered - Abergavenny, Brecknock, Cardigan, Gower, Gwent, Pembroke and Radnor - the heirs of the earls of Hereford, both comital branches of the Clare family, the earl of Gloucester, the Beaumont earls of Warwick and William de Breouse were all directly concerned. To these one must add Hugh, earl of Chester and all the other barons of the border areas.

 This article was originally published in The Welsh Historical Review, v.14 n.4 (1989).  We thank Paul Latimer and the University of Wales Press for giving us permission to republish it.


Google also has an in depth background to the 1165 Welsh Campaign of Henry II.
Some 14 pages, but I can send it through if requested.  (www.deremilitari.org/RESOURCES/SOURCES/latimer.htm)
 
It seems the campaign was a disaster, so losses were probably considerable.
No apparent reference to Philip, but as the family had been prominent in Gloucestershire, and probably Hereford, apart from any family connection with the Gloucesters, it seems very likely he was involved.
Some of the casualties are mentioned, but there would be no Casualty List as such.
Whether the "knights fee" in Wiltshire, presumably the manor at Tytherton-Kellaways (modern spelling), meant he could be called a knight or not, is not clear.  But the family position would probably suggest it. 
Warwick

From: Brian Kelway Willoughby
Sent: Aug 30, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Hi Warwick et al
As it happens I have access to a set of the Publications of the Pipe Roll Society,  held by the Library of the Bristol & Gloucestershire Archaeological Society (BGAS) - of which I'm a member.

I did a fairly superficial trawl of the (then) 50 Volumes on 20 August 1999 - merely by scanning the Indexes of the individual volumes for C/K
names,  and photocopying the pages indicated.

I had 19 "hits",  from Philipp de Cailewai,  Worcestershire in 13 Henry II (1166) to Alexandri Cailluel,  Gloucestershire in 16 John (1214).

Of the 19,  9 were of Philipp de C,  Worcs  (various spellings,  of course). Others were from Devon,  Southamptonshire,  Wilts,  Somerset,  Dorset, Glos.

I will try to Attach to this email a copy of my Journal of that visit to the BGAS.

Let me know if you would like scans of any of the hits?   (Transcripts would be difficult because of the abbreviations/codings/symbology of the Society, and of the Exchequer).

If this represents nothing new - I apologize!
All the best
Brian

PS   I found the Google Report on the Glos Pipe Roll of 1165 very instructive - many thanks.


Minor additions/corrections to some 14/07/99

                                    Henry VIII items.

                                                Then trawl of Pipe Rolls etc:-               

Pipe Rolls       (Numbered Vols by Pipe Roll Society - incl a few other items

                          In Latin.  All Vols trawled to date, from Vol 1 - Vol 50 (1991?).

                          Each vol has vg Intro/Preface with socio-historical info/update.) 

13 Henry II      Philipp de Cailewai, Worcestershire                            1166    67

14 Henry II      Nicholas de Chailloeia, Devonshire                            1167    135

15 Henry II      Nicholas de Cailloe, Devonshire                                 1168    52

                        Phylipp de Cailloey, Worcestershire                           1168    139

22 Henry II      Philippus de Calloe, Worcestershire                           1175    36

23 Henry II      Phillippus de Cailloei, Worcestershire                        1176    65

                        Robertum de Kiuilli, Southamptonshire                      1176    167

24 Henry II      Philippus de Cailloei, Worcestershire             1177    45

                        Gilleberto de Caluwelei, ???????                               1177    62

25 Henry II      Philippus de Calloei, Worcestershire              1178    93

26 Henry II      Philippus de Cailloei, Worcestershire             1179    78

27 Henry II      Philippus de Cailloei, ???????                                    1180    21

28 Henry II      Philippus de Cailloei, Worcestershire             1181    10

                        Rogero de Chailloei, Wiltshire                                    1181    86

                        Osberto Caiuel, Somerset                                           1181    113

32 Henry          Roberti (?) Kelua, Dorset & Somerset                       1185    141

6 John              Nicolaum de Caillewei, Mukelsbir', Devonshire          1204    85

8 John              Hereberto de Cailloel, Wiltshire                                 1206    187

16 John            Alexandri Cailluel,  Gloucestershire                            1214    55


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 1, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Warwick Kellaway writes 

1   Philipp 1166-81 in Worcestershire (Is he the son of Hawisa and Wiltshire Phillip?  If so he would have been quite young in 1166.  What
was in Worcestershire then?  Did Philip I have a manor somewhere in Worcester as well as Wiltshire?)
 
I had a thought on the origin of the glaziers nippers. The attached (a melage of copy and paste) attempts to bring it together. It was prompted by Warwick's question above. Will require much backpedalling on my decades old "Theory of the Cheese"! 
Bruce

The city of Worcester lies on the banks of the river Severn, just above its juncture with the Teme, about seven miles to the north-east of the Malvern Hills and about six miles to the south-west of Droitwich.

Looking down over the city from the Malverns it is easy to appreciate the strategic setting of the site.

Providing the most suitable bridging point between Bridgnorth and Gloucester until the 14th century, and with a six foot tidal influence which made the river fordable at low tide until the construction of the Diglis locks in 1844, the strategic significance of the site can readily be appreciated. Of course for the early inhabitants of Worcester, living on the site of a strategic river-crossing would have had mixed blessings. While opportunities for trade and commerce have abounded, providing stimuli and markets to local manufacturers and farmers, the settlement has had to contend with numerous passing armies and war bands, many of whom took the opportunity to stop off and plunder the settlement on their way through. Aside from these unwelcome visitors, the volume of traffic passing through the city has been a constant problem since at least the early 14th century.

Following numerous medieval fires, sieges and Civil War bombardmentsWorcester today retains few of its medieval buildings, and no structures are visible which pre-date the late Saxon period. While the city’s medieval street pattern and city wall are still clearly visible, and the monastic ruins in the Cathedral Close and the Edgar Tower entrance to this provide a hint of the city’s medieval grandeur. 

The 12th and 13th centuries proved to be turbulent times for the city, and aside from numerous accidental fires (in 1113, 1189, 1202 and 1299), significant havoc was wrought by the various rebellious and loyalist armies of the time trying to secure and hold the strategic river-crossing at Worcester.In 1139, during the Civil war between King Stephen and Matilda (Henry I’s only legitimate heir), the castle held out against Matilda’s supporters, while King Stephen captured and burnt the city in 1150 - but failed to capture the castle!

http://www.worcestercitymuseums.org.uk/content/pothist/phmed.htm 

List of the Medieval Fortified Sites of the historic county of Worcestershire

http://homepage.mac.com/philipdavis/Indexs/EngCounty/Worcestershire.html 

References to stained glass in England date from the 7th century, and by the 12th century it had become a sophisticated art form.

The making of stained-glass windows has hardly changed since the 12th century. A stained-glass window consists of pieces of coloured glass held together in a latticed web of lead. The glass has previously had details of faces, hands and drapery painted and fired on to it in black or brown paint. About the year 1300, yellow stain was discovered, This had the ability to turn white glass yellow or blue glass green, and was extremely useful in the highlighting of hair, haloes and crowns.

In the first quarter of the twelfth century, a German monk, who adopted the pen name Theophilus, wrote a description of the techniques of making stained glass.

Because paper was scarce and parchment very expensive, the full scale outline of the design for a stained glass window was drawn out on a whitened table top. The designer would indicate the principal outlines of his drawing, the shape and colour of the individual pieces of glass to be used, and the position of the lead strips (calmes) that would eventually hold all the pieces of glass together. The panes of coloured glass were cut to shape with a 'grozing iron' and laid on top of the drawing.

http://www.stainedglassmuseum.com/briefhis.htm


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 2, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Thank you Bruce for the new information. 

It is great how we continue to build on our knowledge base.
We now have Worcestershire on the table.  Had no idea the county was involved - no mention anywhere previously.
It appears Worcester itself, being on the Severn, was very strategic, as far back as the squabble between Stephen and Matilda, maybe earlier.
I would presume that the de Caillouets would have been on the side of Matilda and the Plantagenets, but could be wrong.
 
It also suggests that Philipp I may have met his demise around there, either against Stephen, or later against the Welsh about 1165.  And that his family remained there?  The Castle?  The Town?  A manor or castle in the county?  They did have Brimpsfield Castle in Gloucestershire for a time later, and there are some intriguing places around there - Callows Hill, Callows Grave, I think (must get the Ordnance Survey maps out again).   .
As with Calais, there was a vague reference to family interests in the Welsh Marches in Sir William's 1507 will. 
I wonder?
 
Similar "long-term" property ownership may have applied elsewhere, such as Cheldon in Devon, and Stalbridge in Dorset, where the family seems to have returned.  The Wiltshire family moved to Cheldon.  In Dorset, Dunes Weston may have some connection with Robert in the 1100s, before Ralph around 1250, and could have been the Stalbridge Weston where William lived over 250 years later.
 
I suspect the senior family had property in quite a number of locations - for centuries.  Possibly as a result of close connections with high ranking families such as the Beaumonts and Giffards. 
References to Elias, not apparently involved in Worcestershire, and a number of others, followed King John into the 1200s.  So it seems they may have been supporters of the king, rather than the barons.
Did this continue with Alexander going to Durham, and later Bishop Richard being appointed by the king?
 
I have suggested before the possible strategic importance of C/K family members being in Gloucestershire, possibly Herefordshire, now Worcestershire, Wiltshire, Devonshire, Dorset, and Durham.  All around the same time - the 1100-1200s.
The arrival of 21 year old Plantagenet King Henry II in 1154 may perhaps have provided the impetus for a number of young C/K men to arrive from Normandy, if their family was not indeed there already - maybe both. 
Certainly eight or nine of them in that relatively brief period covered by the Pipe Rolls has some meaning. 
And there must be more to come. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 2, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Warwick writes: The arrival of 21 year old Plantagenet King Henry II in 1154 may perhaps have provided the impetus for a number of young C/K men to arrive from Normandy, if their family was not indeed there already - maybe both. 

Certainly eight or nine of them in that relatively brief period covered by the Pipe Rolls has some meaning.
 
A tad concerned with the depths to which we are descending into medieval history armed with some rather dodgy spellings of the names, but guess that research suggests that we should examine any facts available. The Pipe Roll references so kindly supplied by Brian (with some data yet to be interpreted) would suggest that 'ancestors' were indeed fairly prominent in the UK in the 12th and 13th centuries. (Doing what?)
 
Having regard to our ultimate association of of the modern day? i.e. 15th.c association of the C/Klan indisputably with the COA (Thanks to Sherrill, Bill, Russ et al), I was moved to offer an hypothesis as to why the C/K Arms came into existence.
 
Having examined, by all resources 'recent history' that is 15th and 16th c., I can see NO outstanding event for the adoption of these arms. Unfortunately the College of Arms (with whom I have corresponded at length and considerable expense) are really only a 'latter day' organisation when we begin to deal with medieval matters!
 
There is no doubt that the C/Ks 'inherited the glazier's nippers in a period spanning only some 200 years until we can definitely prove it. You would have to encompass a detailed study of the  events surrounding English history during this time to offer suggestions as to why they retained it which may be impossible. A suggestion which I am determined to develope, is that 'word of mouth', family history, possibly not written or recorded, suggested to the C/K ancestors at about the time we have recorded it finally adopted an ancient motif, and what we are pursuing now is why, but we are knocking on the doors of possible Crusaders or earlier. Certainly Robert of the W an L was pondering this in his early doodlings (recorded at Harvard)
 
Fanciful, Yes! But if anyone is moved to help, I suggest some examination of 'Vitrieur manteux de bras héraldiques' because it was possible that the early C/Ks were NOT imported by the Plantagenet's for their cheese making skills but because of their ability with stained glass! 
Thought for the moment, 
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 2, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Bruce  

We are indeed delving into some rather vague hypotheses.  Unfortunately, when we get so far back that is often all that can be managed.  When, on the rare occasions some of the evidence is substantiated, we make our real achievements.
Brian's new people are probably among the most frustrating examples, because they are little more than names and dates.  There is as yet no story attached to them.  And unless there is some corroboration from another source, they may remain so.
By comparing known historic events, or, as you have suggested, geographical elements, maybe occupational or cultural aspects, we might be able to get a little closer.
I like the thought that stained glass could have been one of the reasons for the family's presence in England, and you may have got it, although feel that most were probably there for much more mundane reasons.  Younger sons of minor Norman/French nobility who followed their Seigneur to new fields, or simply wished to prove their manhood.
It seems to me now that we are not looking at one convenient individual, but several, probably at different times, and with different skills.  One might just have been stained glass, although at that time the skill would have been that of an artisan, rather than from a landed family.  In France I believe it is said there were only the three classes - the nobility, the priesthood, and the peasants.  The skilled artisans would presumably have come from the lower social level.
However they would not have gone anywhere, certainly not out of the country, without patronage, and that might be the key. 
Still suspect the family did have earlier arms, which included the chevron and three something, perhaps leopards heads, but that does not prevent the 15th century family from, as you say, digging into family history, to produce the glaziers snippers and pears.  The pears definitely could be dated back to the 13th century.  
Warwick

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 3, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Warwick writes: "The skilled artisans would presumably have come from the lower social level.

However they would not have gone anywhere, certainly not out of the country, without patronage, and that might be the key."
At the risk of boring everyone with my perseverance, I quote from my ancient "Theory of the Cheese" http://www.callawayfamily.org/document/theoryofthecheese.htm Whilst there was commerce with Britain by the Normans prior to the Conquest in the time of Edward the Confessor and indeed Normans were resident in London at Court, they were traders, and property holders and were thus reasonably well recorded. It was not until much later in the 12th & 13th century that travel between Middle France and Britain became easily possible, and then only for a relatively short time. (Rise & fall of the Plantagenet's)

If one accepts that there is a high probability that our ancestor therefore originated from Normandy it is possible to fairly accurately assess his (the Chailewais et al) arrival date from the following facts.

It must be remembered that in his invasion across the Channel, William took amongst his 7,000 troops mainly residents of the original Normandy (including Eure), Bretons from Brittany and some residents of Flanders. Although Harold and his troops were decimated at Hastings, William lost more than half of his troops. The rewards for the invaders, including the fresh arrivals from Normandy find their way into Domesday Book, a Record notable for the absence, as has been said, for any name resembling Callaway.(Kelway,Kellaway etc.) 

A peaceful invasion by the Industrial and Trading classes of Normandy followed quickly on the conquest of the Norman soldiers. As Greens History of the English People puts it. ‘Every Norman Noble as he quartered himself upon English land, every Norman abbot as he entered his English Cloister, gathered French artists or French domestics around his new Castle or his new Church.’

Thus we have a period from around 1070, until Philip was recorded into existence 95 years later. Many questions arise. Was he a descendant of an earlier arrival from Caillouet, was this his first visit to England. The answers would narrow that 95 years considerably. The answers must await further research.


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 3, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

I am pleased to see your comments on movement from Normandy after the Conquest.

Many of the invaders were apparently mercenaries, and many did not survive the fighting, then and later, anyway, Those that did soon took over the land, built their castles, and brought over their servants and artists/artisans.  Possibly not glassworkers at that time.
 
We do now understand that Guillaume de Cailli probably came over at the time of the Conquest, and he is evidently mentioned in the Domesday Book, 20 years later.  We do not know how related the C/Ks were, and again how many of them survived through to 1154, but there was seemingly some family, or locational, connection. 
I sense that the time of the "Anarchy", may have created a considerable number of casualties among the Anglo Normans, and not encouraged further settlement.  In fact, with family and domains still in Normandy, they could have returned there.  There evidently was considerable movement to and fro for some centuries.
 
As regards Philip I, much depends upon the still unknown date of his demise.  If it was before 1154, which would place him as an earlier inhabitant, or about 1165.  (Actually I recall that Hawisa would have married the Earl of Gloucester somewhere around 1150, and there was no fighting when Henry II arrived as king.  So the Philip we have in 1165 may be the son.)
 
Unfortunately there is little recorded evidence in England in that pre-Plantagenet time.  Whether the names we now have are descendants, or new arrivals, we may never know, but there was the impetus for some young blood, and the evident family connections, now with the Beaumonts, as well as the earlier Giffards (who did come with the Conquest), adds to that possibility.  Undoubtedly they too would have brought their followers.
Then, or slightly later, the glassworkers may have come.  Probably not with Philip, but another de Caillouet.
 
Possibly Michael Cayley can bring us up to date with his most recent knowledge of his family.  It is hoping too much for a definite DNA link, but who knows, some of us might be close. 
Warwick
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 16, 2005
Subject: COA

An interesting point, as to how the arms "moved".  Certainly worth trying the College of Arms, and other sources that can be accessed.  The Seger Armorial also looks promising.

I have tried a couple of ancient COA records (eg 1314 Bannockburn) to see whether there were family arms of any type recorded.  None.
 
If we assume the nippers and pears originated mid 1400s, and we know they were there by 1501, to find them in locations around Sherborne would not be too surprising, and obviously including Rockbourne.  We know family members moved a little afield from Sherborne.  The more remote locations where we see them become a greater query.
 
I look at Dolton Church for example.  The Devon family was the "younger" branch way back in the 1200s.  But did they still associate with the main family?  Probably yes.  Would they "assume" the Rockbourne arms - why not?
We also know that the Wiltshire/Dorset family moved from Kellaways Wiltshire about 1390-1400 to Cheldon Devon, which is not far from Dolton.  The property there had been held from at least 1325, presumably earlier, and possibly back to Mokesbeare in the 1100s.  Held by which family?  It has been said they intermarried.  They were probably the same family.
 
We still await more DNA evidence in this regard, and there is some way to go.  You may recall I looked for an ancient mathematical C/K Modal.  What I plotted (which may be a little suspect) was closest to the present Devon families, who we suspect have been Devon based for centuries.  Not the seemingly more logical "Dorset Peters", who may be the closest to the Sherborne family.  However the latter had moved about rather more - perhaps allowing more mutations?
What I mean here is that it is likely, if correct, that the Devon family was a clearly defined original C/K family.  And therefore very entitled to use the arms.   
 
I know Bruce you like the idea that the arms are much older than the 1400s.  A check through the College of Arms may be the only way of proving that.
Frankly I also think the Kelly family and arms fit somewhere.  I still wonder about the adjacent arms, of chevron and leopards heads, in Dolton Church.  Why were they adjacent?  Intermarriage - same family? 
Great idea. 
Warwick
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 16, 2005
Subject: COA

I am very loathe to agree with this latter statement Warwick, but I am grateful for your reminding me about Kellaways Wiltshire, latterly known as Tytherton Kellaways, but in medieval times referred to as Tyderinton Caylleway and sometimes Chidelynton Caylwey! It referred me back to a dusty shoe box containing extracts from Wiltshire Crown Pleas, which we discussed a number of years back. You may recall that Johannes Kayleway of Kellaways was an elected juror of the Chippenham 100 in the Wiltshire Eyre of 1281 (Chippenham is about 3 miles SW of Kellaways, and the Eyre was a Royal Court held in the county at intervals of several years). 

There was also a suggestion that young John was a knight, as the requirement for knighthood at that time was that you owned £20 of land. (Translates to about 10 million now because of wretched inflation!)My notes state that pages 52 & 53 of Volume 12, the Chippenham Verediction (or answers or verdict made by the Jurors) and pages 83 & 89, tend to confirm this, but as much of it is written in Latin, and I am tending to the aged and infirm side of the leger, re-examination of these obscure references may be down to someone else. Let me quote a little in the hope that someone with expertise will take up the search. 

CHIPPENHAM VEREDICTION A.D.1281 

"Item: Johannes Giffard tenet.j.fedium et dimidium in Tidrington Cayllewey de rege in capite et Johannes Kayllewey tenet dictum tenementum de dicto Johanne." 

 

"Item: Johannes persona de Keylewey levavit quoddam fossatum super viam regiam in villa de Kayleway (.j.rodan terre) ad noc umentum vie regie a tepore quinque annorum elapsorum" 

This snippet probably says something to the effect that young John K/C confirms that John Giffard (wasn't he associated with our tribe?) held half of the management of the K/C farm, and that the same young John K/C releases certain 'ditches' provided above the Royal Road into the village (Farm ,large country house) of Kayleway for the time that passes over 5 years. Little bleeder held some authority obviously, and wouldn't put it past him to be sporting crossed glazier's nippers and pears on his Sunday jousting armour 724 years ago!
Bruce

From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 16, 2005
Subject: COA

Nice addition Bruce. 

Have to admit my Latin is very rusty. Strangely though it doesn't look quite so difficult to decipher - have they changed the sentence structure or something?  Anyway good to get that snip of 1281 news - a few hundred years late - but I had not read it before!
Yes the Giffards were closely associated with the c/klan - from before 1100 to the early part of the 1300s - when the family almost inherited huge Giffard estates.  Note the John also.  There was a series of Johns descended from the marriage of Elias to Bertha Giffard before 1100, to the "almost" inheritor John le Calewe around 1330.  (Remember John's Dorset will of 1308?).
About 1281 they may have been living somewhere about Dunes Weston/Stalbridge Weston(?) in Dorset, but St Giles Church was built at Tyderington/Cayllewey Wiltshire in 1304, suggesting the principal family may have been there by then.
 
But we definitely do not know the first use of the arms, 1400s or earlier.
 
I have always been intrigued by the lack of references to early family knights (thus able to bear arms), despite the number of references to knights fees, property, suggestions of impending knighthood etc, but can only recall a couple of references as "knights" - Sir Ellis(Elias) de Kailleway around 1240, when he may have held Tuderinton/Kaylewent manor Wiltshire, and Sir Ralph de Kaleway/Radolphus le Calewe around 1250 - probably the holder of the Dunes Weston manor in Dorset.  (Note the confused spelling.) 
Regards 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Sep 16, 2005
Subject: COA

I agree to "rusty Latin" - or best put "almost dead Latin" and this Latin is definitely not the type we learned in school - way back then! The following
notice came in this morning's mail, and if we live long enough, may provide help for us: among the Announcements from the Society of Genealogists - "Henry III Fine Rolls Project" - A Window into English History 1216-1272. "Preserved in TNA there are 56 rolls for the reign of Henry III. Funded by the Arts & Humanities Research Council and combining the Centre for Computing in the Humanities T King's College London and TNA, the Fine Rolls Project will publish the rolls down to 1248 in the following forms: An English Calendar of the rolls in electronic form on the KCL website with a search analysis facility. Four printed volumes published by Boydall & Brewer with full indexes" Digital facsimile images of the rolls on the KCL website More information www.finerollshenry3.org.uk

I assume that TNA is The National Archives (better known to many of us as the PRO). Let's remember to check the King's College London website from time to time. There may be some help coming for us there. I also have some similar references such as Bruce provided. Was saving those for a "boring day" and, unfortunately, I seldom have those kind of days! I will now have to dig up those notes and take another look.
Sherrill


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 16, 2005
Subject: COA

I agree that Sherrill's link to the Henry 111 Fine Rolls project may ultimately prove invaluable, but I shudder at the thought of translating that ancient Latin! In these medieval studies of our early family, I have to keep reminding myself of dates, so the papers of Henry 111 (1216-1272) and Edward 1 (1272-1307) are important in sorting out the ancient rels. 

From my notes of the Chippenham Verediction again:83/117 "In Kellaways, Ellis(Elias)de Kaylewey and Godfrey Scudamore had held two fees in 1242 of Ellis Giffard father of John" and from the Wiltshire Crown Pleas of 1249 (218 pge193) "Concerning defaults they say that Elias of Calewey did not come the first day (to the Hundreds of Chippenham) So they are in mercy" 

These vague snippets gleaned by a very amateur researcher, viz. myself some thirty years ago, merely shows that there is a veritable goldmine of family history to be quarried out there. Oh that I could start all over again. Maybe we could fund a PhD student to do the legwork!
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 17, 2005
Subject: COA

Bruce 

We have I think all obtained some of that recorded information from various sources, and some of it has been sewn together.
I recall finding the descent of Eliases and Johns from that marriage to Bertha Giffard to the second, possibly third, John some 140 years later.  No dates unfortunately, but enough to connect up other references and arrive at reasonable assumptions.
Warwick

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 18, 2005
Subject: COA

Warwick, the following is from a letter between us and Sherrill in 2002 recovered from a GOOGLE search on my computer. I do not believe that it made its way into Donna's English research and I believe that it originated from Sherrill. Y'all are probably well aware of the reference, but as we are now on a different tack viz the Origin of the COA, I think it worth resurrecting. I guess to hold two knights of Elias Giffard, said Elias de Kaylewey must have been a senior knight himself ?

From the Victorian History of Wiltshire, volume 7, page 53 "Terintone (from Domesday) on the river Avon was described thus; 'Osbern himself holds Teringtone. Demme held it in the time of King Edward (The Confessor) and it paid gold for 10 hides. There is land for six ploughs. Of this there are in demense 9 hides and there are three ploughs and four serfs, and there are two villeins and four eesez and three borders with three ploughs. There are ten acres of meadows. It was worth £4. It is now worth 100S.' Teringtone became the Parish of Kellaways which exists to this day. Certainly in 1328 John de Kelleway was Lord of the Manor of Kellaways. He traced his history and descent from Berta, daughter of Elias Giffard, grandfather of John Giffard the elder. This was very important to John de Kellaway but in his argument he did not have the hindsight that the Manor of Kellaways near Chippenham was held by Elias de Kaylewey who held two knights of Elias Giffard'.
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 18, 2005
Subject: COA

It is good to bring this up Bruce.

 
I think the key words may be "knights fee", which obviously suggests knight or knights, but refers more to the property.
I have sighted elements of this information in different references.  The main point I eventually gained was that there were two knights fees involved (I wondered whether Terintone/Tytherton was one, Kellaways the other - today there are quite distinct locations - actually three - with Tytherton Lucas and East Tytherton). 
 
I had the impression that at one stage anyway a C/K held one, while the other may have been held by a different "name" - related or not.  Both, from the Domesday time on, and for some time after, belonged to the Giffards - Osbert I think at first, Elias perhaps later, about the time we are considering.
 
The Giffards were considered a baronial family, whereas the C/Ks never raised above knighthood status to my knowledge.  However Elias de K did have enough standing to marry Bertha Giffard.  (That marriage would have been about the time Philip II and Hugh de C/K, at least, were stepsons of the Earl of Gloucester - around 1190 - and actually another level above the Giffards - close to the Royal family.)
The "trial" of Elias's daughter Matilda in 1220 indicates that the family was still powerfully connected at that time.
 
It is very difficult to fathom quite what the situation was, but I suspect that, because the Giffards arrived with the Conqueror, they received huge estates/domains as prizes.  Whether Guillaume de Cailli, arrived then, or other C/Ks arrived later, their feudal/social level may have been equal, but they did not benefit from the "handouts", to become the overall Lords of the Manor.  The C/Ks were effectively tenants of these manors.
 
Doubt that this assists with the COA situation, but might help our understanding of who everyone was a little. 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Sep 18, 2005
Subject: COA

Hi All,
Enjoying the COA discussion, which diverted me from the "Latin items." Those will come a bit later. The COA discussion sent me to my "2003 Notes" and the various bits and pieces I had picked up. Hope you enjoy this, and look forward to lots of comments.
Sherrill

The C/K Coat of Arms
(from 2003 Notes of SUW) 

Visitation of the County of Devon, 1620

PYNE - Arms: (1) Pyne  (2) Downe  (3) Kellaway  (4) Ilcombe  (5) Salle (6) Birt  (7) Hentscombe  (8) Appleton  (9) Gold  (10) Penfold

            The accompanying pedigree, however, does not show how the Kellaways are connected to Pyne.  The Kellaway’s arms are described as: (Argent) two glaziers’ snippers saltirewise sable between four pears pendant or, with a bordure engrailed of the second. 

Unpublished Manuscripts of the XVI Century, by Rev. Sabine Baring-Gould & Robert Twigg (1898) 

“Coate Armors borne in the Western Parts of Englande” 

Kelleway:  Arg. 2 glazinge irons sab. betwene 4 pears ppr. 

Kellaway:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snippers per sautor entre 4 (pears) with border sa.  [G.M.S.] 

Kelloway of Devon and Wilts: Ar. 2 glaziers’ irons per sautor sa. 4 pears g.  [G.M.S.]

Kellaway:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snippers saltirewise sa. betw. 4 pears pendant or within a bordure engrailed of the second [Visit of Devon, 1620; Visit. of Cornwall 1610 (quarter on Grenville shield); Harl. MS 1079; Quartered by Kelley, Harl. MS 1538;  Quartered by Cooke, Harl MS 1567; Quartered by Pyne, Harl MS. 3288, 5871] 

Kelloway of Stowford:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snipers saltirewise sa. bet. 4 pears pendant or. [Harl. MS. 1091, 1538 and in 1079 quatered by Cooke] 

Stowford of Stowford:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snippers saltirewise sa. bet. 4 pears pendant ppr. [Harl MS. 3288]

[Note by SUW: This certainly suggests that the Stowford/Staffords have the original C/K bloodline, and thus may also have the C/K “Y” chromsome.] 

Stowford alias Kelloway:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snippers saltirewise sa. bet. 4 pears pendant or. and vert. (?ie ppr.) [Harl. MS. 5871] 

Kellaway of Colohampton:  Arg. 2 glaziers’ snippers saltirewise sa. bet. 4 pears pendant or. and vert. within a border engrailed of the second [Quartered by Pyne and Cooke; Harl MS 5871 (2).] 

Heraldry in Wiltshire, David Buckeridge (1993) - (Eight volumes in 1) 

Vol. IV “Medieval Armorials” - 

Keilway - Caylway

Arms:  Argent two glaziers’ snippers in saltire sable between four pears or a bordure engrailed of the second.

Crest:  a cock argent combed and wattled azure (Visit. of Wilts 1565)

            Elias Keilway c1226 held Tytherton.  John Keilway of Whiteparish bore for his arms: Argent two glazier’s snippers in saltire between four pears sable. [Really? Now we have black pears....SUW] 

The Visitation of Wiltshire, 1565 (from Buckeridge book) 

Baret (of Tytherton Lucas)

Arms:  Or, on a chevron Gules between three emulets Azure as many lions passant guardant Argent. 

Keilway of Whiteparish

Arms:  Quarterly 1 and 4, two glazier’s snippers in saltire sable, between four pears Or within a bordure engrailed of the second.  2. Argent a leopard’s face Gules between five crows Sable (ELLIS).  3. Azure a camel passant Argent (Camel).

Note: A black and white hand-drawing of the above COA is in this book, each quarter labeled in the margin as 1 and 4 Keilway; 2 Ellis  3  Camel. 

Coker

Arms:  Argent on a bend gules three leopard faces Or. with a bordure engrailed sable. [Always on the lookout for Warwick’s “leopard faces.”....SUW] 

Re: “Keilway of Whiteparish” - I have struggled with which William C/K was husband of Joane Baret.  Somehow this is telling me that William C/K (will 1469, Dorset) was not married to Joan Baret, but perhaps she was married to his son or grandson William - and that this John Keilway of Whiteparish did not descend from the Baret alliance and thus had no right to their arms (as described above). I think that I know there was a Baret/Ellis connection.  Was there also a Camel/Ellis connection.  Camel and Ellis are difficult to “search on” - no one seems to be much interested in them, but I have picked up a few bits and pieces on them and will have to review what I have collected......SUW. 

This book also has a hand drawn map showing “Knight’s Fees and Serjeanties of the Principal Tenants-In-Chief 1242-43.  Elias Giffard is “spotted” on the map as number 12.  He is shown as having:

Sherrington

Tileshead (along with the Honour of Trowbridge)[this was a Serjeanty]

‘Winterbourne’  [there are two Winterbornes, and several with extensions to the name]

Elston (along with the Honour of Wallingford)

Orcheston St George

Codford St Peter (along with Earl Marshall)

Ugford

Tytherton 

[Tytherton Lucas was held by the Honour of Ewyas (Tregoz)]

[Chippenham was held by Earl of Gloucester]

From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 18, 2005
Subject: COA

Hi Sherrill et al
Thanks for the information Sherrill. There are some interesting "new" elements there - or rather perhaps some we had overlooked before - it is always good to look back at old notes.

The name Pyne rings a bell somewhere, but I cannot immediately place it.

And Baret at Tytherton Lucas - interesting - had not noticed it before. This suggests a connection with Kellaways Wiltshire (next door). But the family had finally left there by 1429. In fact Edmund had left for Devon by 1399, and it was only John (probably William's father), who "returned" there from 1405 to 1429. The connection might however add support to the William of Sherborne - Joanne Barrett marriage, considered (by some) to have been around that time. (Most Heraldic Visitations, including the family COA, give William as the head of the later family - Bruce, might this suggest that he had the first arms?)

I see the Devon Kellaway arms quartered by Kelley, and Cooke. The Kelley connection may have some relevance at Dolton. Cooke - one of John of Cullompton's daughters married a Cooke.

As regards the leopards faces, I am attaching my old 2002 notes of what Burke had to say about all sorts of names (plus the European Riestap). Please note Callow, Caylowe, Kaloway, and Kelley.

The frustrating thing is who were the families that Burke found with these arms? Some we know, many we don't.
Warwick


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 19, 2005
Subject: COA

Sorry if I swing rapidly between medieval and 17th.c, but in my search for the origins of the COA, I am spending a lot of time with the Search engines and coming across interesting things such as this. I know that Warwick was interested in the exodus after the Monmouth Uprising. A little note for storage. The full article can be accessed from the website, but I think that I have pulled out the relevant part below.
Bruce

http://www.bartlettsociety.com/line.htm The first Muster Roll taken on Barbadoes in the year 1624 includes Arundels, de la Warrs, Kellaways, Churchills, Bartletts and Husseys (another associated family). Among the few who survived the battle of Sedgemoor, Somerset, were those supporting the Duke of Monmouth against the King. Members of all those families (as well as some others that figure into our history) were defeated and slaughtered. Yet, they somehow not only survived the battle but managed to obtain instructions from the King that they not be executed (like others) but be deported to plantations over the seas. That this result could only have been achieved by help from others with influence at court is made obvious by comments made by "Hanging" Judge Jeffries who presided over their trial at Dorchester Assizes. He was not at all happy that some should have escaped his preferred punishment!

There can be no question that this influence came from the Arundels, De la Warrs, Stourtons and Churchills, all of whom had supported the Stuarts and were prominent in financial circles.

Arnolds, Kellaways and Husseys were all neighbors to us both in Dorset and Somerset. Bartlett properties at Piddleton moved into Arnold hands after marriages between the families. Kellaway was a member of the "cartel" mentioned earlier, and the family was joined to Churchills and Tregonwells by marriage.


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 19, 2005
Subject: COA

Keilway - Caylway
Arms:  Argent two glaziers’ snippers in saltire sable between four pears or a bordure engrailed of the second.

Crest:  a cock argent combed and wattled azure (Visit. of Wilts 1565)

            Elias Keilway c1226 held Tytherton.  John Keilway of Whiteparish bore for his arms: Argent two glazier’s snippers in saltire between four pears sable. [Really? Now we have black pears....SUW]

 

Black Pears Sherrill. Intriguing! The plot thickens. I am becoming more and more convinced that the COA was never a "Grant" from the 15th century to the C/Ks of whatever family, but acknowledged because of its "Common Usage" within the Family when there was an attempt to organise things by the Visitations (which have been shown to be sometimes inaccurate). The inaccuracy of the family members quizzed indicates that some of them probably 'wouldn't have a clue' as to why they claimed the particular arms. "Oh" they said "Great Grandaddy had them", which pushes us back to the 14th century, a century very notable for lack of recorded detail, and therefore a singular guessing game for us to link to our better recorded history of the family into the late 13th century.
 
Warwick may correct me here, but in the 1300s, the bleeding Knights did more jousting than anything else, which is why we must use our endeavours to gain all available material on young Elias Of Kellaways (? de Cailli) and his kith and kin. 
Bruce
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 19, 2005
Subject: COA

Bruce 

I was enticed to look at the Barbadoes some years ago, mainly I think because of a reference to some Monmouth supporters being transported there, as an alternative to execution.  In some minimal information, I found no family references.  Think I tried telephone numbers/addresses as well, without success.
 
This Bartlett connection is worth following however.  Not entirely sure that the facts are 100%, they seem a little garnished, but there must be something there, if we can access it. 
1624 is very early.  I think about the time the islands were taken by Britain.  Raleigh was roaming around the Indies not long before - was executed in 1618).  The Kellaways were there then?  Were they early settlers there also?
 
The implication is that the Monmouith uprising was about 1624, but it was in 1685 - rather later.  Transportation was nearly as serious as hanging I gather, as few survived the voyage, or the plantations.  Their property was confiscated as well.  Don't recognise the other names specifically in our family references, although the Churchills were all over Dorset.  (John Churchill was created Duke of Marlborough in 1702.)
 
Our friend apparently lived not too far from you Bruce.  He claimed to have Kellaway contacts, possibly from the Barbadoes, or at least with Piddletown links. Is it possible to check to see if he is still with us, some eight years later - with some of his Kellaway cousins?   
 
Much of what you say is probably correct.  Jousting very likely.  There were a couple of punch-ups with the French however in the 1300s - the French fleet was wiped out at Sluys in 1337, and their army, and nobility, at Crecy in 1346 - the beginning of the 100 years War.
The 1300s, apart from the episode with the Giffard inheritance in 1328, are rather thin with family references otherwise.
We can track the principal family to that John le Calewe, from the presumably first Elias and his marriage to Bertha Giffard - as Elias, Elias (his sister was probably the notorious Matilda), John, John (probably with the 1308 will) and John , with possible birth dates of 1160, 1190, 1220, 1250, 1280.
From 1304 we also got the Patrons of St Giles at Kellaways to help us.
There had been a number of other references during the 1200s, including Durham and Devon, but we still do not know who was related to who.  That is where Sherrill's "Latin Library" would definitely help.

Warwick


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 19, 2005
Subject: COA

Hi all,
I do understand that the glaziers guild records only go back to the 1500s, but there can still be someone there with knowledge, or who can suggest an approach. Might there be any identifying mark for example on the surviving old windows? Any record of the artisans or their patrons? There certainly have been studies made, and some very good full colour publications, which can be accessed.

In this regard, among several books I have on Heraldry and Stained Glass, my "Heraldry" by Stephan Friar, gives a list of seven or eight early printed works, from 1300 to 1611. It is impossible to access these from here, although I did get one or two "Rolls of Arms" at the LDS. Friar has 48 illustrations from Powells Roll of c 1345-51, which apparently contains 672 separate shields and banners. Apart from the famous 719 quarterings of the arms of Richard Plantagenet, Marquis of Chandos (including one pears and irons), nothing of any C/K value however.

If, as Bruce says, librarians are claiming there are no records remaining, Mr Friar must have accessed them somewhere after the Great Fire in 1666!

There seems to have been quite a bit of to and froing with the Heralds, as to who was entitled to bear arms in the early 1400s, and it might be that was when the family decided upon the now famous pears and irons - if not some time before. It is said that puns on the surname have been used since the earliest days of heraldry, although I have not noticed very many as descriptive as the pears and irons in the early Rolls - most were symbolic.

I see the oldest claimed glass in England is in York Minster - c 1150. Comment from "Stained and Decorative Glass" regarding "Late Gothic":

"The 15th century was a time of growing prosperity, despite the War of the Roses and fighting that racked the Continent. Stained glass was part of a flourishing artistic endeavour that spread across Europe. In England rich wool and cloth merchants, anxious to secure a place in the afterlife, gave freely towards the cost of windows and the building of bigger churches. Coloured glass however was still expensive, even for well-to-do merchants, and as windows in the new Perpendicular Style became larger, they incorporated more clear glass with increased painting and staining. Merchants marks on windows depicting tools or symbols connected with their trade - as well as windows donated by the crafts guilds themselves - give an interesting insight into the ordinary domestic lives of rich and poor in the Middle Ages. Roundels showing the Twelve Labours of the Months, already popular in Northern Europe, were placed in private houses, colleges, guildhalls and occasionally churches."

(We had our "merchants of the cloth", and definitely had the guild tools. Plus a small pun with the fruit.)
Warwick


From: Bill Piper
Sent: Sep 20, 2005
Subject: COA

I am fascinated that you have taken the history of the K/C COA back so much further. Seems that I shall have to rewrite my pears page: www.kellaway.info/pears.htm when I have access to my site. Question for Warwick: Is my thesis for the pun on the name still valid in the earlier century? Does it bring us any closer to the Caillouets? (Don't forget the 1890s Caillouet claim for a link with pears.)
Bill


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 21, 2005
Subject: COA

Thanks Warwick. You are often quicker than GOOGLE with your historical knowledge, and on this I rely! Hope you don't mind. 

We are scratching in our attempt to find the origin of the COA therefore using the internet with its instantaneous ability to throw around ideas. Lordy me, if we only had this facility a few years ago, we would be much more advanced. 

I guess that we have several dilemmas. (a) The origin of the name (b) When did Phillip arrive in the UK and from whence (c) The name changes which occurred following Philip or his earlier kin's arrival, and (d) How the hell the early C/Ks ended up with a COA which filtered down to their rels some 200-300 years later. 

The latest exchange on the origin of the name is a study in itself and an attempt to elucidate and explain (b). (c) I believe you have done wonders with. (d) Must have a solution within historical documents extant, but upon which there has only been very skimpy research. It is about this latter that I have had misgivings. I really think that we could sort out so much of our ancient history if this was fully documented, but it is a hard slog into the 14th.c which is documented, but still remains within libraries and is being apparently ignored by most of the digital World! 

I can visualise a PhD. thesis for a budding student. "The Ancient C/K Family in the 14th. Century". Intro by Warwick, Direction by Sherrill, production by Bill Piper et al, publicity by Donna Morgan, Cd by Russ!

Thought for the night.
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 21, 2005
Subject: COA

Bruce 

You missed one very important personage off the credits - yourself.
 
I scratched around a little more with those COAs, and while I found nothing of what we were looking for, did get some perfect matches with the Normandy pair (made a mistake with the Caillys - see they had cherubs, not eagles).  The matches were the Kirktons - the Weirs/de Veres - Scottish clan Weir for one.  The Bibbesworths with the other.
From Google, I could not however see any possible connection, except a Norman base.
 
It seems likely that French, English and Scottish "knights" could have chosen the same arms, as they would not be aware of the others.  However there could still be some unknown family connection.  And I would love to know whether there was anything in those "three eagles displayed".
I saw nothing of the chevron and three leopards faces, any more than the pears, so suspect both COA must have been later than those listed around the 1200s/early 1300s.  My guess would still be the 1400s, possibly the 1300s, but we cannot find any anywhere.
 
Looked at the Falkirk Roll of 1298 and the Stirling Roll of 1304.  Nothing at either, despite the Durham Kellawes very probably being around in the north at that time.  Anthony Bek, the current Bishop, was at Falkirk, and Ralph de Monthermer, Earl of Gloucester, at both.  He was virtually the only one to have an eagle displayed - one, not three.
Did those arms with that symbol otherwise remain on the continent?
 
Like your good thought anyway. 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Sep 21, 2005
Subject: PRO Notes

Hi All,
I am attaching a Word doc which is the notes I made at the Public Record Office (N/A), Kew in 2003. Beware! You may want to save this to diskette since it is 70+ pages. There is a lot of good background on the era we have been discussing. The "Latin" begins at the bottom of p. 43.
Have fun.
Sherrill

Public Records Office 2003 Word document


From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Sep 23, 2005
Subject: PRO Notes

Hello Sherrill and everyone,
I'm following your COA and other searches with great interest.

Have looked through this wonderful epic, Sherrill and find there are several mentions of things in this and some earlier information you have sent
which may link to some of my recent searches. I have just received several searchable CD's and have been extracting Kellaway references. Did Stafford while I was at it and can do easily any other names you want. Gifford?? Should I include Kelly? Hope there is something here you haven't got already!

I attach the following Word documents:
1) West Country Muster (Con, Dev, Som, Dor) mostly 1569 some earlier
2) Early Kellaway Taxes Subsidy Rolls - Devon 1543-5 & Taxes 1581, 1642
3) Hearth Tax 1674 Devon
4) Extracts from Worthy Wills spanning 1413-1700+

Hope something helps someone
 Lesley Haigh

West Country Muster   Early Kellaway Taxes   Hearth Tax 1674 Devon   Worthy Wills


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 23, 2005
Subject: PRO Notes

Hello Lesley
Your information is very interesting, and deserves close study. I do want to say that it is good to have you researching the Devonians. I for one have been too involved further east, and not been able to give them enough attention. Those records are very important for determination of what was happening in Devon, and in the overall family picture.

Probably only a few of many references to be uncovered - we know there were others back to the 1200s at least. There must be connections to
Sherrill's earlier references.

One initial thought is that it seems the principal Devon family was clearly now called Stowford, changing to Stafford, by the 1600s (John Stowford at Dolton, Thomas Stowford at Dowland, George Stafford gent. at Ottery St Mary). You will know that the figures in the Hearth Tax refer to the number of chimneys, so 12 would indicate a rather large home - Hugh Stafford had a large home at Dowland in 1664.

So presumably, apart perhaps for Collumpton John's cousin/nephew Simon Kaylway/Kelway (two references - possibly father and son), the later C/K families seem to be rather "fragmented". The 1544 Crediton family of John Callowe, near Exeter, we might expect, but the family of John
Callowe/Calway at Hemyock - who were they? Uffculme or Wellington may offer some clues. Roger Callway at Farway is getting close to Dorset
(perhaps as wealthy as Simon in 1543).

Note the Cornish Killiowe/Kyllyowe families - they had different arms from any of the others.

With some association by location or name we should be able to track on to our friends of today.

Please include the Kellys and Kelleys. Maybe the Giffards - Bruce is onto their DNA, and they look potentially interesting, but I could not expect to see the family connections in any of the records - not after about 1200 anyway - it is probably a DNA check at this stage.
Warwick


From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Sep 24, 2005
Subject: PRO Notes

Many thanks for your replies Warwick,
I'll start on the other names and send them on.

My Devon lot appear in Black Torrington between 1642 and 1662 no idea from where. I keep hoping to make the link.

One clue is that their Ring Seal was the head of a chicken. It was pretty clear on their leases in 1752. Is this possibly significant to tie them to
the bit of the family with a Cockerel on top of the COA?
Lesley


From: Brian Willoughby
Sent: Sep 26, 2005
Subject: Pipe Rolls

Dear Warwick, Bruce, Sherrill, Bill

 
Following Warwick's "More please" in his em of Wednesday August 31, 2005, 2:00 PM,  and Bruce's and Sherrill's interest, I have had another scan through the Pipe Roll Society publications in the BGAS Library here in Cheltenham. 
 
I have mixed feelings about the results (attached,  I hope!). First,  I am ashamed to confess that I had evidently missed in 1999 several C/K items - some spelled exactly as others which I did find - for which I am deeply apologetic!   Second,  I caught a few extra by using rather more adventurous C/K spellings (my current count is of over 300 variants encountered!)
 
It is worth noting that the Pipe Roll coverage of the volumes which I examined is from Regnal Years 5 HY II to 34 34 Hy II inclusive, that is from 1158 to 1188.   So the disappearances of "a" Philipp from Glos after 1167,  and of "another" Philipp from Worcs after 1182 can be set in context.
 
My second Attachment - a photocopy of p 143 of Pipe Roll Glos 1166/67 - is pretty typical of the Pipe Roll material. But what caught my eye is the juxtaposition of Helias Giffard immediately following Philipp de Chailewai (and immediately before an Osmund).
 
The 24 pp article "The Giffards of Brimsfield" in Trans Bristol & Glos Archaeological Soc Vol 65 pp105-128 is an excellent review of these Giffards and has some good Caylewe/Caleway etc info. The complete article is included in Sherrill's 72 pp tour de force - a Giffard pedigree diagram from the original BGAS article may be helpful and is attached (again dv,  and hopefully in two chunks because the original type face is rather small.)
 
Finally,  and for what it's worth! - my Grandfather Charles Kelway Bamber (1867-1945),  a sober scientist like me,  always maintained that "we" were descended from (or in some way related to) Fair Rosamund,  the famous mistress of King Henry II. She was a daughter of Walter de Clifford,  the son of Richard Fitzponce - both of the latter feature in the Giffard pedigree etc. 
All the best 
Brian

Pipe Roll 5 page.jpg   BGAS Giffard tree pg 1 LHS.jpg   BGAS Giffard tree pg 2 RHS.jpg   Pipe Roll Soc C/K hits Word Document


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Sep 26, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Bruce, and All,
One thing I am looking for is the Kelly/Kellaway/Devon reference Warwick asked for. Have also been going through our old England notes, seeking out the early family records. I have more, so stock up on printer ink. Here is one thing that I believe we have touched on previously, but
should be mentioned again - as relates to Sherborne, Dorset. "The Register of William Edington, Bishop of Winchester," Part II (1346-1366), Dom. S. F. Hockey, ed., 1987, Hampshire County Council -----

#868. Subdeacons:
William Calewe of Iwerne, dioc. Salisbury, ad tit
(Orders conferred by the bishop in his manor chapel at Southwark, Ember Saturday in the first week of Lent, 19 March 1356).

#872. Orders conferred by the bishop in the manor chapel of Esher, Saturday when Sitientes is sung, 10 April 1356.
Deacons:
William Calewe of Iwerne, dioc. Salisbury, ad tit.
Abbot of Sherborne.

[Part I of this Register was negative for C/K]

Think about that for a while. Which William is this? Does this explain why our William C/K (1469 will) had all that "church stuff" in his possession? Bruce, maybe that really is "our missal"!
Sherrill


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 27, 2005
Subject: Otterhampton Somerset

Sherrill, This manor of which I was not aware until you referenced it, came into the possession of the C/Ks in exactly the same manner as Rockbourne. I will forward that, because it more clearly states how it came about. It is another clear example of why the Rockbourne COA shows quartering with the de Romseys, whose family tree and relationship to the C/Ks I believe I have perfected! 

Bruce 

Part of Otterhampton manor, (Footnote 35) known later as OTTERHAMPTON RUMSEY manor, was held in 1286 by Walter of Romsey, son and heir of Sir Walter of Romsey. Walter or another of the same name died c. 1333 and his son Sir John died in 1334 leaving a son Walter under age. (Footnote 36) Sir Walter died in 1403 having settled Otterhampton on his wife Alice (d. 1404) and on his grandson Walter, son of Thomas Romsey, who had predeceased his parents. (Footnote 37) Walter died probably without issue as the estate was held by his elder brother Thomas (d. 1420) and Thomas's wife Joan (d. 1441). Their daughter and heir Joan married Thomas Paine but died childless c. 1447 having granted her Somerset estates in 1443 to Henry Champeneys and his wife Elizabeth, probably widow of Walter Romsey, for life. (Footnote 38) Joan's heir to her Somerset estates was Joan wife of Roger Wyke, granddaughter of Sir Walter Romsey (d. 1403). Joan and Roger settled certain lands on Joan, wife of John Cayleway and possibly their daughter, but remained in possession of most of the former Romsey lands in 1462. (Footnote 39)
William Cayleway and his wife Anne sold an estate described as one third of Otterhampton Rumsey manor in 1542 to John St. Clere who in 1547 sold it to James Bowerman.
 

From: 'Otterhampton: Manors and other estates', A History of the County of Somerset: Volume 6: Andersfield, Cannington, and North Petherton Hundreds (Bridgwater and neighbouring parishes) (1992), pp. 105-07. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=18581. Date accessed: 27 September 2005.

36S.R.O., TS/EVD; S.R.S. ix, pp. 188-9; xii. 62, 163, 189; Cal. Fine R. 1327-37, 386-7.
37Cal. Inq. p.m. xviii, pp. 328-9, 378-9; Cal. Close, 1402-5, 434.
38V.C.H. Hants, iv. 459; P.R.O., C 138/61, no. 76; C 139/131, no. 26; S.R.S. xxii. 105.
39V.C.H. Hants, iv. 459; S.R.S. xxii. 110-11, 206

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 27, 2005
Subject: Rockbourne Manor

ROCKBOURNE MANOR (Extracted from A History of Hampshire Page 582 et seq.) 

…..Robert Martin(25) died in 1355,(26) his first wife (Margaret) surviving him until 1373, when the manor passed to her eldest son by her first husband, Sir Walter de Romsey,(27) who in March 1401-2 settled it(28) on himself and his wife Alice for life, with reversion in tail-male to their grandson Thomas son of Thomas de Romsey, and, if he died without issue male, to his brother Walter.(29) Sir Walter died in 1403(30) and Alice his widow in 1404. 

Thomas, their grandson and heir,(31) died in 1420-1, leaving an infant daughter Joan.(32) Rockbourne passed according to the above settlement to her uncle Walter, brother of Thomas,(33) but on the death of Walter son of Walter, in 1430, she inherited the manor and held it with her husband, Thomas Payne.(34) 

Her second cousin and one of her two heirs, Joan, formerly the wife of  Thomas Keilway(35) and then of Roger Wyke, daughter of Mary Byngham, daughter of the first Sir Walter Romsey,(36) inherited Rockbourne, which ultimately reverted to her descendants by her first husband. However, in the meanwhile it was claimed by Joan wife of Thomas Swete as next heir to Joan Payne, being she stated, great-granddaughter of Margaret daughter of Sir Walter Romsey. Roger Wyke and his son John on behalf of the heirs of Joan his wife successfully denied the existence of Margaret and recovered the manor in 1462,(37) and although five years later Edward 1V granted the manor in dower to Joan Swete, then a widow,(38) it was held by John Keilway, descendant of Joan Wyke, on his death in 1547.(39) His son William succeeded him, but after this date the history of the manor is uncertain. 

Some documents state that William Keilway during his lifetime gave the manor to his grandson Thomas, child of his son Francis(40) and in 1577 a certain Richard Hunt declared that he had seen the enrolment of this conveyance. (41)Certainly in 1580 and 1581 Thomas was dealing with the manor as his own,(42) but in 1570 Francis asserted that his father had in May 1565 settled the reversion on him in tail-male,(43) and he died seized of the manor in 1601-2.(44) This discrepancy may be accounted for by the relations between Francis Keilway and his son,(45) who in 1591 was imprisoned in the Fleet ‘for procuringe and suborning certain persons to exhibit grevyous complaintes’ against Anthony Ashley, clerk of the Privy Council,(46) and on obtaining his release in 1592 was found to have no money to pay the prison fees.(47) 

His father, with whom he had quarrelled, was ordered to pay for him as a ‘gentleman pencioner’,(48) but in 1598 Thomas being ‘utterlie lame and a creeple’ complained that since his father had again cut off his allowance he was ‘inforced to use very hard and base shiftes even for his foode and sustenance in such sorte as it is pitiful to make mencion.’(49) 

The Privy Council took the case in hand and ordered Francis to allow his son £3 weekly. (50)Refusing to obey, Francis for a long while ignored their letters,(51) but finally agreed to pay his son’s debts and to allow him to ‘lyve in house’ with him.(52) Francis died in 1601-2 and Thomas succeeded to Rockbourne,(53) which, already heavily mortgaged to Sir Anthony Ashley,(54) he sold in 1608 to Sir Anthony’s son-in-law, Sir John Cooper.(55) No sooner had this sale been effected than it was found that Francis had in 1574 settled the contingent remainder of the manor after himself and his heirs male on his brothers Ambrose and Edward, and that the latter ‘of an ill intent’ to prevent the sale of the manor had granted his interest in it to Queen Elizabeth in 1594. (56)James 1, however, ‘not myndinge to favour such fraudulent conveyances,’ gave up all ‘remainder and interest’ in the same in 1608.(57)  

Sir John Cooper was succeeded by his eldest son Anthony Ashley Cooper, created Earl of Shaftesbury in 1672(58) and the manor has descended with the title. 

25 Feud Aids,ii, 327
26 Chan. Inq. P.m. 47 Edw. 111 (1st nos.), no, 18; Cal. Close, 1354-60, p.144
27 Chan. Inq. P.m. 47 Edw. 111 (1st nos.), no. 29
28 See in this connexion Cal. Pat. 1399-1401, pp.372, 451; De Banc. R. 562, m 18d
29 Ibid.458;Chan.Inq.p.m. 5 Hen 1V, no. 32
30 Ibid. Alice his widow was a daughter of Sir William Fillol
31 Inq.p.m. 6 Hen 1V, no. 29.
32 Ibid. 26  Hen. V1, no. 26
33 Ibid. 7 Hen. V1, no. 26
34 Ibid. 8 Hen. V1, no. 22. The manor was settled on Thomas and Joan in 1440 (Cal. Pat. 1436-41, p. 473; Close, 19 Hen. V1, m 43). See the descent of the Bisset moiety of
South Damerham.
35 Phillipps, Visit. Of
Somerset. 133.
36 Close, 26 Hen. V1, no. 26
37 Coram Rege R. East. 2 Edw. 1V, m. 80
38
Cal. Pat. 1467-77, pp. 32, 33.
39 Chan.Inq. p.m. (Ser. 2), lxxxv, 39.
40 Court of Req. Proc. Bdle. 112, no. 10
41 Ibid. 125, no. 3.


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Sep 27, 2005
Subject: Sherborne Rockbourne linked and a Thomas sorted!

Edmunds son Thomas (1375-c.1461) was married to Joan BYNGHAM (Phillipps Visitations of Somerset.133) .Joan was the great grandaughter of Sir Walter de ROMSEY who was married to Margaret BISSET.The Bissets (Bissetts,Bassets) had owned Rockbourne for 194 years from
1156.The de Romseys (Ramseys)consequently held Rockbourne for 112 years.

On the death of Thomas Keilway in 1461, Joan Byngham(Bingham) married Roger Wyke in 1462, and this has led to endless confusion because in subsequent documents she is referred to as Joan WYKE ( Coram Rege R East.2 Edw.1V:Cal.Pat.1467-77 pp32,33: Chan.inq.pm(See.2)lxxxv,39)

The de Romseys fought for some 10 years to regain Rockbourne from Sir William K/C who had been willed Rockbourne by his Mother Joan K/C(Bingham/Wyke). ( 26 Hen.V1 no.26) . In fact, in 1472 Edward 1V for a time did grant Rockbourne to Joan SWETE (gggrandaughter of the first Sir Walter de Romsey), but Sir John K/C son of the first Sir William and grandson of Thomas took it back!

I do hope that y'all followed that. I believe it all to be true as far as I can ascertain and I am quite excited by it all in that it now completely explains the Rockbourne Sir John's COA with the nippers and pears quartered with the Bissetts and the de Romsey coats. Of more importance it neatly ties the Rockbourne crew to the Sherbourne crew, and tidies up a Thomas!
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 27, 2005
Subject: Sherborne Rockbourne linked and a Thomas sorted!

Bruce 

You have answered Sherrill's query. Joan was married to Thomas, not John.
 
I am not absolutely certain, but think Thomas and John I were brothers. Did a little calculating, and would guess Joan might have been born around 1390, and married Thomas about 1410.  Suspect there was no family, as John's son William (of Sherborne) appears to have inherited the family property.  Thomas may have become religious, as there is mention of a Thomas at the Monks Sherborne Vicarage in 1436.  However possibly connected with tax collection in 1442, there is a strange mention of a Thomas Calawey, alias Chamberleyn, being pardoned over the death of Michael Rowperyn in 1445.  Do not know of Thomas's death.
 
If widow Joan married Roger Wyke in 1462, this would presumably have been a wedding of convenience, as there would have been no family.  Any of Roger's family would have been from another marriage.  
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Sep 28, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

OK, let's get our dates correct. I refer you to an email I sent on June 28, 05 and follow-up July 1. These should be in Kellchat since they were copied to Donna.
It would appear that Thomas C/K and Joan Bingham were married c1410 - 1412. This is confirmed by the date Thomas began "presenting" at Sutton Bingham, 18 Dec 1412 (as Thomas Kayleway, 'arm.'). Thomas C/K died between Feb 1417 and 1422. Joan Bingham C/K married
Roger Wyke about 1422, when Roger first presented at Sutton Bingham on 20 Dec 1422. Joan Bingham obviously inherited Sutton Bingham (from her Bingham ancestors) much earlier than she inherited Rockborne when her cousin Joan (of the Rumsey/Ramsey family) died, 1448.
William C/K "the 1st Knight" must have been a very young child when his father, Thomas C/K died. William 1st Knight died c1508, thus quite elderly for the times. This caused me to speculate that there could be another generation between Thomas C/K and 1st Knight
William - but we have uncovered nothing to suggest another generation. According to records, William 1st Knight was father of Sir John of Rockborne to whom the rights to Rockborne passed from Sir William in 1508. We do not know to whom 1st Knight William was married;
if I recall correctly he was knighted in 1501. We don't know when Joan [widow C/K] died, but Roger Wyke was married twice more after her death. Roger died in 1467 according to Wyke records. Roger Wyke fathered, by 1st wife, Joan Bingham C/K, a son named John Wyke. This John Wyke married Joan, d & h of John Cammell of Shapwick & Charborough in Dorset. John and Joan Cammell Wyke also had a son named John Wyke who married ______ Lites, d of Lytes of Ltyes Cary, co. Somerset. The picture is as follows:
I Thomas C/K married Joan Bingham
II William C/K (1st Kt) married ????????
III Sir John of Rockborne

I Joan Bingham [wid of Thomas C/K] married (2)
Roger Wyke
II John Wyke married Joan Cammell d/o John Cammell
III John Wyke married d/o Lites of Lytes Cary, Som.

It is well to remember that Thomas C/K never held any right to Rockborne manor. This property did not come to the C/Ks via Joan Bingham C/K Wyke until she inherited it from her cousin in 1448, and which, probably after her death, passed to her son, 1st Kt William. The Wykes suggest that Roger Wyke held Rockborne (in right of his 1st wife) until the death of 1st wife Joan Bingham C/K Wyke, when it passed to her son by Thomas C/K, William C/K . "Sir" William was living at Rockborne in 1488 and it remained in the C/K family until they finally lost it to Ashley Cooper.
Keep these dates in mind when calculating the ancestry of the Rockborne C/Ks.
Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Sep 28, 2005
Subject: Early Family History

Thanks for the corrections Sherrill.
I do not know where the 1461 date came from, and had been a mite worried about it, but your dates for Thomas's demise around 1420 remind me that they were determined some time ago.

The later Thomas I mentioned was clearly another, who I cannot specifically match. However now notice there were a couple of Thomases in Devon about that time. They had properties at Stafford Barton, and at Colyton (associated with John of Collumpton later). There seems some suggestion that they used both Stowford and Kelloway names. (Possibly used Stowford when living at Stafford Barton, Kelloway when away, or for younger sons.) The Devon family seemed to alternate names between Thomas and Philip.

William of Sherborne's father however was, from his will, John. This is where I had presumed the rather complicated inheritances you mention could have been because John was Thomas's brother, and that Thomas and Joan had no family. (The descent of the Sherborne family was, according to those Heraldic Pedigrees, from William. There was no mention of any forebears - unlike Devon, where the family went back to around 1200. If John was a younger brother of Thomas, and had no recorded/remembered importance over 100 years after his death, that might be an explanation. The Pedigrees also had great difficulty sorting out the family Thomases - perhaps another reason for not going further back.)

William of course died in 1469, probably at about the age of 60, and his son, William, born presumably around 1440, became Sir William. Sir William passed Rockbourne to his son John on his death in 1507.
Warwick


From: Les Haigh
Sent: Oct 1, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Hello everyone,

Might have a bit of a breakthrough here on the Devon line.
 
I have been searching for a Mathew Kelloway born about 1630-35 who had children in Black Torington with wife Phebe commencing 1662. The line then goes on through Lamerton Matthew 1770 to David, Bill and my lines.
 
To my great surprise I have found a possible in St Neot, Cornwall:  Mathew Kyelliow bap 23 Sep 1629 s. of William and Annis/Agnes Davie (d Jonathas Davye & Elinor Pomery m. 25 Oct 1596)
His Father William Bap 31 Mar 1602 s. of Roger Kyllow & Florence Laricke m.14 Feb 1585
Then Roger Kellowe Bap 15 Aug 1557 Warleggan s. William
 
Well William Kellowe must have been born about 1525 which is getting very close to all the wonderful early stuff you are all so good at. It would be wonderful to make a link between past and present!
 
Have spent 2 days searching the web and now have about 30 pages of refs from Cornwall RO (Will send if anyone wants them).
 
Most relevant information. 1522 Muster Warleggan: Robert     St Neot: Robert, John         1569 Muster St Neot: John, Michell
RO
Warleggan 1424 Letters of Attorney to Thomas Lucomb & Wm Kyllyowe
St Cleer/Liskeard area 1493 John Kylyowe de Trengale
St Neot 1563  References to Kellowham and Kellowode in the Parish 
St Neot 1683 References to places called Kellow Town, Kellowham within the Parish
St Neot 1791 References to a house called Kylliowham
Bodmin Parish 1513-14 Carminow Manor John Kelwey held from heirs of Gurlyn 'de Growse in Habebreyowe ( possibly Hale?)
There are places around called Killiow N. S. E. W. Little etc
 
I have the bit from CFA on St Neot church widow and two Wills for Johns in St Neot.
 
Wondered if any of you had information to add which might help bridge the gap, perhaps in those shoe boxes Sherrill?
 
As an extra I found Leases in Cornwall RO relating to a William Kayleway and property in Dorset Wiltshire Gloucestershire and London. 1458
Other docs relate to Hampshire, Fordingbridge 1776 and East Parley 1739 With various Kellaway names. Can send copies if it helps anyone.
 
Also Leases in St Giles in the Wood for William Kayleway  between 1498 and 1547 a wife Anna and son John Kayleway of Cookbury are mentioned. Well its just possible the St G in the W line goes through Halwill to Lifton and it has the same DNA profile as ours (Just one marker off). That's Devon RO.
 
Hoping you have some ideas. Thanks for reading all this. All help suggestions would be much appreciated.
Lesley
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 1, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Hello Lesley

You have done well.
That area in the far west is still a mystery for me.  The Cornish language very probably being one reason, but the name spellings there were so very different, particularly the Kyllyowes and other similar versions.
 
Families there actually had quite different COA from other family arms, which suggests something different or unusual about them.  The arms I have are:
 
Killiowe of Lansallos Cornwall - an intriguing collection of buildings on the south coast (Or a chevron betw two roses in chief and a mullet in base sa.)
Killowe of Dale Cornwall (location unknown to me) - (Or a chevron sa in chief two cinquefoils, in base a mullet of the second.)
Obviously some family connection but, apart from the mysterious Dolton arms, which might suggest the Kelly family, nothing like the acknowledged C/K arms.
There was some mention of the family at Totnes, Devon, and a crescent crest. 
 
DNA-wise, the FamilyTree experts have pointed out the considerable differences between the two Devon groups I have called Devon N (Jay, Michael M and Russell) and Devon S (Michael F and Peter).  Superficially quite similar, but varying in the second 13 markers.  It might be that we are looking at the Dolton/Stafford Barton family with one group - but who with the others - the Kellys? 
 
St Neots, and the area around there, must hold more clues.  The placenames are too common not to mean an important family.  Histories of Cornwall?
 
We would be interested in the mention you have of William Kayleway in 1458.  There had been references around Dorset and Devon to his cousin(?) John then, but not William.  He did have property around the west.
 
Keep up the good work
Warwick

From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Oct 1, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Hello Warwick, 

Thanks for information Warwick.
 
I have attached the 21 pages of references I found. I am not sure how familiar everyone is with this web site but sometimes there's more info if you go to "catalogue in full" from the ref.
 
The out county refs are on pages 7,10, 16 but there is a lot of early stuff there which might help.
 
Sorry the Giffords got abandoned when I found this but I will do the rest later. Have attached the bit I've done for you already.
 
David has done an excellent tree for the Lansallos Killiowe family but so far we can't see a link to St Neot. The St Neot group all seem to disappear after 1719 haven't tracked them down yet either.
 
I can't locate Dale either, but there is still a Killiow near Truro and a Killiow Park Golf course there too.
 
Will keep digging. 
Lesley

Early Kellaways St. Neot   Subsidy 1544 Kelly Giff   (Word documents)


From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Oct 1, 2005
Subject:
Early Kelloways St Neot

Wow! Lesley. You sure have been digging into unfamiliar variants of 'The Name' in the mists of Cornwall and time. Some years ago, The Late Prof. Sir Frank Callaway provided me with his research in Cornwall back to a John Callaway (1695-1774) who married a Mary Thaller of Bodmin. We have the DNA of this line. He certainly had not researched other variants. 

I am a little concerned that the Killiowe of Lansallos carried a different COA from the Killowe of Dale and both arms have no relationship to the COA of the eastern counties. We are certainly in unexplored territory, but your continuing excellent research is well worth recording.
Bruce


From: Lesley Haigh
Sent: Oct 3, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Well Bruce I have to say that in Warleggan, St Neot, Lansallos and Duloe it is as if there are two totally separate families. One Callaway/Calway and the other Killowe/Kellowe. They are recorded at the same time so the spelling does not seem to vary on the whim of the clerk at the time. In other places there is a similar mix often all mixed up. I can see no link between Lansallos and St Neot groups either at present.

 
For this reason I am not greatly hopeful that I have found the right Mathew in St Neot but he is the only one I've found so far. North East Cornwall or Devon seems far more likely really.
 
I have a John Callaway m. Mary Scholler 08.07.1716 Bodmin. They lived in St Kew. Is that the one in Sir Frank's line with some spelling mix up somewhere?
Richard 1770 Cornwall line? DNA way off my line. The only match is that Halwil line and I can't see that either so far, has to be way back.
 
Keep digging 
Lesley

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Oct 3, 2005
Subject:
Early Kelloways St Neot

Lesley wrote:
I have a John Callaway m. Mary Scholler 08.07.1716 Bodmin. They lived in St Kew. Is that the one in Sir Frank's line with some spelling mix up somewhere?

As you can see from the attached, dear old Frank figured that Dear John had married a Mary Thaller. Thaller/Scholler is close enough for me, so we have the right guy and the descent locks in with the Australian tribe, so I can presume that we have that tribe fairly well figured including their DNA.

She further says: Well Bruce I have to say that in Warleggan, St Neot, Lansallos and Duloe it is as if there are two totally separate families. One Callaway/Calway and the other Killowe/Kellowe. They are recorded at the same time so the spelling does not seem to vary on the whim of the clerk at the time. In other places there is a similar mix often all mixed up. I can see no link between Lansallos and St Neot groups either at present. 

I guess we have to assume that the C/Ks were no different in the 16th century to people in the subsequent centuries, the "Martins and the Coys".i.e. There were those that made it, and those that didn't. Much of our paper trail involves the former, who by serendipitous marriage and C/K determination allied themselves with property and wealth and thus were recorded. The others disappeared. To be P/C, we should not ignore them, but in the overall schema of things, acknowledge that the Killowe/Kellowe were unfortunately not survivors, and dare I say it, did bugger all but were probably very nice people! 

Keep digging Lesley. It is so good to have you on the serious research side!
Bruce

John Callaway - Mary Thaller pedigree.jpg


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 7, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Bruce 

We have a lot to learn about the C/Ks of Cornwall, and just where those Killiowes fit - if they do.
Di and I passed through Lansallos in 2001, and while I admit to knowing absolutely nothing about the place, it did give me a strange feeling.   There is little to be seen there, just a few old buildings, seemed to be farm buildings, almost at the head of some cliffs, as I remember.  And a few later houses nearby.
Knowing something of other branches of the families, I did think of the Wreckers.
 
Why different arms I know not, but other families have different arms listed under the same name, and these people were at one end of England.  Think the family died out there also.
The fact that there are some Killiow placenames does suggest some import in Cornish History?
 
How does that Cornish Callaway DNA match the others Bruce - I am not sure who they are? 
Warwick
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 8, 2005
Subject: Early Kelloways St Neot

Lesley, Bruce 

It does seem there were distinct families by the 15-1600s.
I am a novice in that part of the woods, but my first thought is that, if the families were related, that relationship was way back - probably in the 13-1400s, or earlier.
Different spellings in one area however might only mean families differentiated themselves, or individuals not knowing how their more remote cousins had their names spelt. 
 
In the Bishops Registers in the 1400s it was quite common to have different spellings, particularly the long and short versions of the name (eg between 1400 and 1450 I noted among others - Calwe, Kelwa, Kyllyawe, Kylyow, Calewe, Keleway, Cayleway and Keyleway).  Not all were in the same religious order, or had their names written by the same clerk, but a number would have been. 
I did suspect that the shorter monastic names might have been from around Exeter, the longer from further east in Wiltshire, where there could have been a very different dialect.  Alternately a more cultured, better educated family, or one involved in trade, might have retained some French or Latin inflexions.  Trade was strong with the Continent, especially France, and French has remained the language of trade.  How would a son of a family with connections in London or Bordeaux speak, compared with the son of a man from an inland Cornish village?
North and south Cornwall similarly could have quite different accents - was the now dead Cornish language more dominant in one part? 
 
We do need to know more about what was going on in Cornwall back then. 
Warwick

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Oct 8, 2005
Subject:
Early Kelloways St Neot

Much is written about the Cornish language on the internet, and I believe that Warwick has made an important point. It is clear that our research lies in the so called period of Medieval Cornish (1150-1500) in which the two dialects were 85% Breton (East and West) and up to the time of the Prayer Book Rebellion (1549) many areas of Cornwall did not speak or understand English! 

Apart from the Breton influence from Brittany which is a possible area for subsequent research as an origin for our ancient Rels, I still remain sceptical that the 'odd' surnames under discussion have any relevance. There is indisputable evidence that a few of our lads were in Cornwall in the 15th century, but they carried the later version of the C/K surname and therefore must be assumed to have been émigrés from the Eastern counties. 

Keep digging you guys and convince this Old Fogey that we should pursue the Lansallo Killowes. The one sample of Cornish Callaway DNA (17th.c) that we have is not yet helpful!
Bruce


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Oct 8, 2005
Subject:
Early Kelloways St Neot

I have looked at this situation for a long, long time. My conclusion tends toward this: Cornwall has two different sets of C/Ks. There are remnants of our more familiar SW counties families in Cornwall, along with those now familiar "associated families" of which there are many. The "Kills" appear to be a distinct family, perhaps of Celtic origins (perhaps out of Wales or elsewhere?). Those who bear arms have a different one than our "pears & nippers." I would venture to guess that the two lines do not share the same "Y." That is just my assumption, and I am willing to be proven wrong.
Sherrill


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Oct 9, 2005
Subject: A few notes on Dorset

Hello All,
While going through my chaos upstairs I came across a few notes which I made a while back. These are from the website of Thomas Cole, a regular contributor to the Dorset "Mail List" (Rootsweb) whose interest is in Dorset men/families to Newfoundland. Not a lot here, but a few clues:

(1) They were searching for "Kimbers Farm" mentioned in Hobbs family wills; not located, but these farms "that were fenced in" were stared in:
Gummershay 1315
Marsh Farm 1327
Hargrove Farm 1265
Thornhill 1244
Antioch Farm 1244
Frith Farm 1244

(2) "As shown in the various copies of Hobbs family wills, the family owned or leased land in the Stalbridge Weston area in the 1600's - 1700's, yet the predominate land holdings there were held by the WESTON FAMILY.

(3) Quoting from a small book, written by Irene Jones, "History of Stalbridge and St. Mary's Church" - "against the North Wall of the Chapel a life size effigy of a Cadiver (?cadaver?)lies on a Table Tomb of the late 14th or early 15th century; under is a WESTON FAMILY VAULT."  "For three centuries this chapel was known as the WESTON CHAPEL, the Weston family holding land in Stalbridge Weston, with only a short lapse in
Elizabethan times, until it was sold to Edward Walter in the 18th century, through whom it passed to the Marquis of Anglesley."

(4) The parish registers of Stalbridge before 1690 were lost; the B.T.'s were destroyed by fire in 1731.

(5)"The Church Plate of Dorset, 1552" [is this a book or a published article?; would be interesting to see this book/article!]. THE PARISH OF STALBRIDGE:
William Vowell, curate
Churchwardens, WILLIAM KAYLEWAY, John Jones, Sr. Parishioners: HUGH WESTON, Thomas Snoke, Thomas
Atwater, John Jones, junr.

THE PARISH OF MARNHULL:
Robert Tucker, curate
Churchwardens: JOHN KEYLWAY, NYCHOLAAS KEYLWAYE Parishioners: list includes THOMAS KEYLWAYE

(6) A few items from Stalbridge parish registers (no C/Ks). The Crew family seem to have a connection to our Piddlehinton C/K family. Wonder if these JONES are related to our DAVY JONES?

Robert Crew s/o Thomas & Susannah bapt. 1754 [Robert Crew, bapt 1798 "went to Newfoundland."]

Rev. Henry Jones , born c1680 "went to Newfoundland"
Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 9, 2005
Subject: A few notes on Dorset

Hi Sherrill
As with the Staffords, there were other Weston families, but I think we could be fairly certain that you have found our Westons in St Marys Stalbridge.

From what I have understood, the Dorset family was living at Calewe Weston manor from the early to mid 1200s, at least - Randolph/Ralph being recorded there around 1250. (No-one appears to know quite where Calewe Weston was, but it was possibly at nearby Stalbridge Weston.)

The principal C/K family was probably living there at the time of John le Calewe's will in 1308. Following that, their location becomes a little complicated - perhaps they remained there, perhaps they returned to Kellaways Wiltshire, as St Giles was built there in 1304. It is likely however that some family members remained in Dorset until the time of William of Sherborne in 1400. And we know they were in Stalbridge in the 1500s. And Marnhull nearby - those three Kayleways in 1552 are interesting. (Seems rather more continuity there than other
parts?)

As in Devon with the Staffords, the placename became part of the family name, and de Westons appeared in the 1300s. In all probability, while acknowledging kinship, by 1500 the Westons were a separate family. Another opportunity to seek out, this time, the Dorset Weston DNA?

We drove through Stalbridge in 2001, without having time to search the church, but has anyone yet seen the vault?

The Crew family appeared with the sad story of Purdon Crewe Kellaway in Piddlehinton in the mid 1700s. Sounds as though her mother may have been a Crewe, or there was some association.

Well done Sherrill.
Warwick


From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Oct 10, 2005
Subject: Westons/Staffords

My original thoughts on this subject was (and currently still is) that the Westons, for some reason, took a different name than C/K due to their prominent dominance of a location, ie, Stalbridge Weston. I have "googled" on Weston, and did turn up a Weston family chart which tended to suggest that their family came from one of the eastern counties of England. But then, tracing down the line they are found married into "our" Cammell family. I figured their information to be inconclusive - so await further Weston DNA testing to draw any definite conclusions. As to the Devonite Stowford/Stafford/CKs, I felt the name also changed to Stowford/Stafford due to their early residence in Stowford (strictly geographical and not intermarriage). What I can learn about the old and prominent Stafford family does not seem to tie into this, even tho' William C/K of Sherborne (1469 will) did have a "business" relationship with ole' "silver hand" Humphrey Stafford regarding church and almshouse matters. I have detected no relationship or intermarriage between the two families, so still feel the Stowford/Stafford C/Ks name derived from the place called Stowford. I believe it is too early to declare a "winner" in this debate. The Weston and Stafford DNA projects are moving slowly because there seems to be no organization behind the projects as opposed to the CFA project which is designed to produce results based on our extensive research.
Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 10, 2005
Subject: Westons/Staffords

Sherrill
You covered the situation very well.
Family names, such as our Caillouet, commonly derived from places, and what we see as Stowford, Weston etc, are examples of that kind. Initially by the use of the "de" (of). The de in most cases disappeared, although it remains today with some families, perhaps having more recent French associations. Probably only the major families retained a "family" name, because of their importance, and because they would move about much more. In most cases a family remained very close to their village, and whether the place assumed the name of the family, or the family took the name of the place, it determined for others who they were, and where they lived. Some of those places have disappeared, while most grew in size, some considerably.

I do not think there would have been much intermarriage with Stowford/Staffords or Westons, if only because they were recently
related. (Although remain mystified over the name Sto(w)ford.)
I also never found any intermarriage with the Devon family, but the comment remained in histories etc. The two must have retained some connection over the centuries, something more than just the shadow of the name, and it seems very likely there was some intermarriage, possibly in the 1300s - but some time after a close relationship.

I have noted the move of the Wiltshire Edmund and Joan to Devon about 1390 (and wondered was Joan from Dolton?). To Chenstone manor at Chawleigh near Cheldon, where the family had property from an earlier time. Cheldon is close to Dolton, and I recall the Stowfords had occupation there in the 1500s.

Bearing in mind that Mokesbeare in Devon seems to figure in the stories of both families, these properties appear to almost be shared, over a long period of time. John of Cullompton in Devon, almost certainly from the Dolton family, is

We continue to find scraps of information, and picture is becoming clearer, as the pieces fit together. Future DNA results may provide some fascinating information.
Warwick


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 10, 2005
Subject: Westons/Staffords

Bruce 

You may be right that we can spend too much time on very remote "relations", when there is so much more recent information yet to be discovered. 
I do however consider that the Dorset Westons were part of the family, and there were cross references.  If the arms do not appear to match, that may only mean that the "separation" was some time back - perhaps in the 1300s.
Their DNA, if we can find it, may prove as interesting as those Staffords.
Stalbridge Weston is another village not far from Stalbridge, with its own church, and Dunes Weston is recorded very early, as the home of Ralph/Randolph le Calewe.  Calewe Weston, North Weston, and Albodes Weston, are other placenames around there.
I suspect Stalbridge was always much larger, and there may not have been a church at S/Weston in 1308.  (Currently do not know the name of it, but if St Giles, it would be interesting.)
However John le Calewe being buried at Stalbridge in 1308 must be one of our earliest known burial locations.  With his will, and recorded descent from Elias and Bertha before 1200, he could rank as our most important early family notable - to date anyway.  The earlier people are, at this stage, by comparison only names in an old document.  
I did endeavour to plot John's descent, and his descendants, in the Chronicles, although there obviously remains some woollyness.  We were fortunate to have Elias, and also to have the St Giles Kellaways Wiltshire Patrons, from 1304 to 1429.  From 1400 we have the more defined descendants of William of Sherborne, however much ambiguity we see there.
While none of us are infallible (me anyway), if Sherrill, Brian or I, can answer queries (or stir up more controversy), we will try.   Especially the latter! 
Warwick

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Oct 11, 2005
Subject:
Westons/Staffords

I too agree Warwick with Sherrill's summary. No way do I seek to downplay the earlier research and I am indebted to you for this statement "John le Calewe being buried at Stalbridge in 1308 must be one of our earliest known burial locations.  With his will, and recorded descent from Elias and Bertha before 1200, he could rank as our most important early family notable - to date anyway.  The earlier people are, at this stage, by comparison only names in an old document." 

The 1308 will proved pivotal in linking the early C/Ks to our more documented 15th. century ones. I guess that following the modern day Westons and Staffords was what was frustrating me. They are certainly in very early days with their research and DNA. As with the de Romseys, we probably know more about their very early history than they do. 

I am reminded that I have never actually seen that 1308 will. I believe that it is in Sherrill's possession? As a somewhat flippant aside, it occurred to me that in the future we might organize an archaeological 'dig' in the graveyard of the Blessed Mary Church in Stalbridge. Dear John's bones if they could be located should still be capable of DNA extraction! What a wretched and sacrilegious thought!! 
Bruce


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 15, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Hi all,
Lesley has forwarded the attached information from Somerset Newspapers. There are some names there of interest. Unfortunately not the stories behind the items, which is only accessible in Taunton etc.

I was particularly interested in the Luxborough Galley, which seems to crop up from time to time. Both Henry and William Kellaway were from the Upwey/Broadwey family in Dorset. Tried to follow up in Google, but all I got was the collection of paintings at the National Maritime Museum. The official Board of Enquiry report must be somewhere. Anyway I have put what I have found of the horror story together, and attached it also.

It may all have been fortuitous, as I might at long last have resolved why my GGG/grandfather William Thomas C/K came to move from the IOW, to near Upwey in Dorset in 1787. Very complicated, but I matched the ages of two Thomases, both born about 1675. Now suspect his grandfather, Innkeeper Thomas Kelloway of Wickham Hampshire, could have moved about 1730 to live with his son Thomas at Bexington, near Upwey, leaving other family members back in Wickham. I had always wondered why he moved, and also about his paired names William Thomas. If Thomas of Bexington was his grandfather, he had two sons there - William and Thomas - although both dead by the time he arrived. Could be wrong, but it would fit. Also thought "both" Thomases might have been in the Piddlehinton klan, and if so could trace Thomas back to Nicholas of Forston. However it is also possible that Thomas came from further east, even in Hampshire. We already have two or three differing DNAs from Dorset, plus mine. The most likely Piddlehinton version being that of Peter Kellaway-Moss and the Peters. (Maybe the Upwey/Broadwey family was not from Forston and Piddlehinton after all.)

As both my IOW c/klan, and the Upwey family were so associated with the sea, and brewing/innkeeping, (and I still to not know WT's occupation - suspect either the sea or liquor), even Luxborough William could be closely related. Thought Sophie Dawes was enough for one family!

Sorry to ramble, but I do at last feel I have got somewhere.
Warwick



THE LUXBOROUGH GALLEY
 

The maritime history of our family goes back to 1300 at least, most relating to trade, with Europe and the Americas.  There have been some interesting stories during that time, some of which can horrify. Among them, is that of the Luxborough Galley. 

Slavery today in any form fills us with horror and disgust, but 250-300 years ago it was accepted as a way of life, for some.

The Luxborough Galley was a ship, which while trading officially to Spanish America, more particularly the British West Indies, also carried slaves for the South Seas Company, one of two prominent English trading companies in the 18th century. 

The other, the East India Company survived longer, became powerful, with heavily armed ships for long voyages to the east, and eventually formed the Indian Navy.

Family members served with both. 

The Luxborough, commanded by a William Kellaway, left England in October 1725 for Cabinda in West Africa, one leg of a triangular trade route. 

The ship seems to have remained at Cabinda for some time, and while there Captain Kellaway was attacked as a result of an affront to the African King by a white man. The cargo of Indian cottons and other goods was however exchanged for 600 slaves. The number suggesting the Luxborough was a relatively large ship. 

(Slaving in Africa was common among African tribes.  Encouraged initially by the Portugese before 1500, it was handled largely by East African Moslem Slavetraders.) 

Crossing the Atlantic on the second leg, 8 crew and 203 Africans died of smallpox.

But the surviving Africans were delivered to Jamaica in October 1726, a year after the ship left England

The Luxborough was loaded at Jamaica with 90 hogsheads of sugar and rum, and 80 tons of other goods, and sailed on the final leg home in May 1727. 

Off the coast of Newfoundland however, on 25 June 1727, it appears “two black boys”, who were sent for rum, spilled some, and decided to see if it would burn.  From the resulting explosion, the ship was burnt out and sank. 

One boat got off with 22 on board.  But by the fifth day, the weather was stormy, and it was proposed to throw the two black boys overboard, to lighten the load. 

The boys naturally objected, and although the captain disagreed, they agreed to cast lots instead. 

However before anyone was killed, one of the boys and another man died, presumably as a result of their injuries.

Short of food, they, and the subsequent dead, were eaten.   

Two weeks later, the surviving 6 were rescued by fishermen and taken by yawl to Newfoundland. 

The story aroused a lot of interest at the time, and there was a series of paintings produced by John Cleveley the elder (held today at the National Maritime Museum). 

There were three Kellaways on board, William, the mate Ralph, and the ships boy, Robert.  Ralph died in the fire, and William the day after reaching shore.  Robert survived, later became mate of the Essex, and died on the trade route to India.  

From their wills, William and Ralph Kellaway, and presumably Robert, were members of the Dorset family prominent at Upwey and Broadwey in the 17-1800s.

They were probably a branch of the Piddlehinton family, and the earlier Forston/Charminster family.

Ralph, and probably William, were the sons of Henry Kellaway sen. of Broadwey, but apparently left no descendants.  It is not known about Robert. 

In 1733, Ralph’s brother Brewer Henry Kellaway jun. had a Negro servant George Pugarron christened.  Aged 18, George would have been 12 in 1727. 

Was he the surviving “black boy”? 

There was also a “Farmer” William Kellaway living at Upwey in 1736.  The “Farmer” title presumably being used to differentiate him from “Commander” William.

It is not clear whether or not he was a close relation, but was probably the son of Thomas sen. and brother of Thomas Kellaway jun. of Bexington nearby, who was buried at Portesham in 1776. 

Apart from the horror of the slave trade, and the subsequent ship burning and the cannibalism, it is interesting that the seamen even considered the lives of the boys.

Possibly it was because not all Africans were considered as of the lowest social level.  They were only boys. 

Africans had lived in England for many years, and their lives were not those of the slaves in the plantations.  It was of course also fairly common to transport English “miscreants” to plantations in America and the Indies, including some of our own kin. 

Englishmen would not have known much of the slave trade first hand, unless they had been to the colonies – it was the second leg of a trading voyage – but by 1800 new humanitarian attitudes stopped the sea trade, and forced abolition in Britain and her colonies.  

What happened to George Pugarron?    

Warwick Kellaway
20 10 05


Somerset Newspaper index via GENUKI Somerset page

Sherbourne & Yeovil Mercury

1773 08 Feb Kellaway Lucy - Piddle Hinton  Little Piddle Farm to let
1774 14 Mar Kelleway Mrs - Piddle Hinton sale of horses
1774 09 May Kelway Henry - apothecary Plymouth deceased notice
1776 26 Aug Kelley John - decd 'Coat' Arlington to let
1776 18 Mar Kellow J - Downes House nr Crediton to let
1776 23 Dec Kelly Nicholas - commander 'Hope'  sale of stores Falmouth

1778 04 May Kelway Henry - deceased from Cornwall now Plymouth apothecary

1778 06 Jul Callow James - Uffculm 'Whitmoore' farm for sale
1778 20 Jul Callow James - Uffculm  sale of 'Whitmoor' 

Taunton Courier

1810 20 Sep Callaway Mrs - Brompton suicide
1810 01 Nov Kellow Mr - Membury agent for Union Insurance
1811 27 Jun Callow M - ladied stay maker Bridgwater  advert
1811 21 Mar Kellow Mr - Membury   Union Fire Insurance agent
1811 16 May Kelly Arthur - Kelly  brother died
1811 16 May Kelly Vice Admiral William Hancock - died Plymouth
1812 23 Apr Callaway Arthur innkeeper St Merryn marr Miss Werry  Truro
1812 03 Sep Callow Thomas - drowned at Pawlett
1812 23 Jan Kellaway Mr of Corfe Castle marr Frances Hyde of Milborn Port
1812 24 Dec Kelly Arthur - Kelly  dau Phillippa married 

Bridgewater and Somerset Advertiser

1831 06 Apr Callow Hugh - age 32  watchman Wells  assault charge
1831 13 Apr Callow Hugh - not guilty Bridgwater Quarter Sessions   

1831 10 Aug Callaway - court case
1831 15 Aug Callaway James – assaulted
1831 15 Aug Kelly Capt - Lyme Church Missionary Society
1831 19 Sep Kelway W - Taunton Hort Exhibition Prizewinners
1833 02 Dec Callow John - died London age 75
1833 04 Nov Kelley Mr of Shepton Mallet marr Miss Wansborough of Bruton
1833 08 Jul Kelly Simon of Dublin marr Anne Dawes of Oxford St
1833 25 Nov Kelly W grocer Shepton Mallet marr Amy Alford Warburton at Burton
1833 28 Oct Kelway William - gardener Hatch Court 
 
Taunton Journal
1726 18 Nov Kellaway Henry - Broadway Dorset clothuer bankrupt
1727 29 Sep Kellaway William - master 'Luxburgh' report of fire on ship
1727 08 Sep Kelloway Capt - 'The Luxbrough' burnt
1727 08 Sep Kelloway Robert - survivor 'The Luxbrough' Capt Kelloway
1727 22 Sep Kelly John - Baron of the Port of Sandwich
1726 16 Dec Kelly Matthew - St Catherines London dealer bankrupt
1726 10 Jun Kelly Mr - son of brewer Prosper Lane Dublin duel at Ormond Key
1726 26 Aug Kelly Peter als Piercy - foot soldier at Newgate for murder of C Fox transptd

From: Bill Piper
Sent: Oct 15, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley
The paintings held by The National Maritime Museum are here:

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it3493z&axis=1128258867&flash=true&dev= 

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it3492z&axis=1119091637&flash=true&dev= 

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it3489z&axis=1129382750&flash=true&dev= 

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it3490z&axis=1129382750&flash=true&dev= 

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it3494z&axis=1129382750&flash=true&dev= 

Bill

From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 16, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Hi Bruce, Lesley, Bill, 

As regards William, presuming he did survive, I am fairly sure he would have gone back to England for the Enquiry - to explain what happened to his ship and cargo - and possibly face charges.
So we will have to rely on Bruce in Nova Scotia in the meantime.
An amazing set of paintings, six I think.  Strange event to record.  The painter wasn't there, and it is not as though they could be commercially sold, or reproduced, as would happen today.
 
I know I am pushing my klan a bit, but still think there is a lot to uncover around Dorset, and especially that area to the south west, where there seem to have been so many in the 17-1800s. 
If I am correct that my lot did move from Dorset to Hampshire to the IOW to Dorset again, all in the 1700s, it seems likely others may have done the same.  Not usual for those times, but maybe it was the two key factors of the sea and trade.
Beginning to think that while there appear to be family relationships in Dorset - they seem to have associated at least - there are several DNA groups - close but not matching.  It suggests either there were several Norman arrivals initially, or that they "diverged" a long way back - in the 13 or 1400s maybe. We definitely need more DNA there to sort them out.  Am thinking of that lady (in NSW?) - who was going to ask her brother - she was from that area, and probably the Upwey family. 
Warwick

From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Oct 16, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Warwick said: As regards William, presuming he did survive, I am fairly sure he would have gone back to England for the Enquiry - to explain what happened to his ship and cargo - and possibly face charges.

So we will have to rely on Bruce in Nova Scotia in the meantime.

An amazing set of paintings, six I think.  Strange event to record.  The painter wasn't there, and it is not as though they could be commercially sold, or reproduced, as would happen today. 

This was a 'commercial' ship Warwick and I believe not subject to any RN enquiry. Much was made by Bruce of the origin of the K/cs in Novia Scotia. To-morrow, I will attempt to follow this up, but off the top of my head, I believe that he recorded the adventures of his ancestors  in ancient fishing enterprises.
Bruce


From: Brian Kelway Willoughby
Sent: Oct 16, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Hi all, 

I have only just been able to access the nine(!) ems on this subject in the last 36 hours - and haven't yet been able to study them in detail.
 
However I can't resist offering my penn'orth(s),  from various sources,  below:-
 
1. Captain William Kellaway died in Newfoundlandon on 8 July 1727 - a few hours after he and the other survivors were rescued and came ashore.
 
2. Ralph Kellaway,  First Mate, died in the fire on 25 June 1727.
 
3. Both their Wills were proved on 11 September 1727:
       
3.1  That of William Kellaway of London,  Mariner,  was dated 7 October 1725  (PCC Prob 11/617) 
 
3.2  That of Ralph Kellaway,  Mariner,  was dated 8 October 1725 (PCC Prob 11/617)
 
4. William Boys - author of "An Account of the Loss of The Luxborough Galley" was the Second Mate
 
5. Robert Kellaway,  the Boy,  continued as a mariner,  subsequently became mate of the "Essex" and died during a voyage to or from India.
 
5.1  I have so far failed to find out much more about this Robert - but he is apparently not the Robert Kellaway of London, Mariner,  whose Will, 
      dated  October 1739,  was proved 19 June 1746 (PCC Prob 11/747)
 
6. I have also been a little surprised that John Cleveley the Elder (1712-1777) was not more consistent, in his dramatic series of paintings
    (apparently painted in 1760),  concerning the size and rig of the boat which carried the survivors.
 
7. I should be most interested to learn more of these Kellaways,  if anyone is offering?
 
Good rescuing from oblivion, 
All the best, 
Brian
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 16, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Very good Brian 

I hoped someone would come out with the right stuff.
 
So William was the one who died on reaching shore.  (Sorry Bruce no Newfoundland DNA there.)
Now I know that William was not "Farmer" William of Upwey, and not William the brother of Thomas of Bexington, who died at Portesham in 1776.
Unfortunately my Upwey/Broadwey PRs did not go beyond 1730, so I do not know where William fits, (or whether he could even be one of mine.)  I could assume he was born about 1680-90, if it was his son on board.
Another option is the son of Christopher, great grandson of Nicholas, c in 1668, who I had thought died in 1700 - but perhaps not.  If 60 in 1727, he could fit.  (His brother was Thomas, the one I thought the father of Thomas of Bexington whom I mentioned before - and who just might be related to my lot - oh dear!)
 
There were a number of Roberts around Dorset, as we know, and some in the Piddlehinton krew, but he was only one I discovered around Upwey (presuming he was a relative of William), c in 1753, a younger son of Brewer Henry Jun.  (I suspect it was Clothier Henry sen. who went bankrupt.)
As the ship's boy Robert would have been born around 1715, there is a substantial time gap.  I had heard there was a Robert who was with the East India Company, and had his ships listed somewhere. 
 
I found no Ralphs anywhere around Upwey either, although there had been some earlier in Nicholas of Forston's descendants.  His eldest son was Ralph, and a later Ralph had a five chimney home at Godmanston in 1664.  His son?  He may of course been from another branch of that Forston/Piddlehinton klan, and not Upwey.
 
Some of these hypotheses could be completely wrong, but this is developing into fun.
Any chance of getting the contents of those wills, Brian?  (I note William was "of London", but got the Upwey connection from a history of the area.) 
Warwick
From: Brian Kelway Willoughby
Sent: Oct 17, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Hi Warwick, 

Glad I helped.
 
With luck this will reach you bearing my partial transcripts of the two Luxborough Wills I mentioned:-
1. William Kellaway of London,  Mariner, dated 7 October 1725,  proved PCC 11 September 1727 (Prob 11/617) (Master)
2. Ralph Kellaway,  Mariner,  dated 8 October 1725, proved PCC 11 September 1727 (Prob 11/617) (First Mate)
 
I think the (over-cautious) "virtually certain" identification with the Luxborough in the Note by BHKW on each transcript can safely be ignored!  
As a final check - the National Archives have subsequently confirmed that the PCC entries for William and Ralph each contain the abbreviation
"Pts" (for Foreign Parts,  ie overseas) as the place of death.
 
As usual I have tried to draw and include a family tree in each case,  based (solely) on the information contained in the Will itself.
William's tree is vestigial,  containing only his wife Anne.  Ralph's (if it survives transmission and reception) is a good deal more interesting.
Both were built using the outdated Works software,  and then hopefully converted to Word.
For future reference,  did this succeed in producing anything comprehensible at your end?
 
All the best,
 
Brian

Partial transcripts of the Wills of William Kellaway     Ralph Kellaway


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 17, 2005
Subject: Luxborough Galley

Brian 

That was great.
We now know they were the Upwey/Broadwey family.
I am attaching the latest part of my earlier Upwey/Broadwey family treatise (only 6 pages this time), which gives what I had previously on the family.
I have a different wife for Henry, but with a large number of offspring, there could well have been two wives.
 
There are clearly a few more names to add, while some study might include other branches, such as the Piddlehinton people - I see the name Lucy very prominent - Lucy was James wife, and they had a daughter Lucy, but have just noticed their marriage would have been later, about 1743.
 
It does rather look as though this family was not the same as that of Thomas of Bexington, not closely anyway.
In all probability they had been in Upwey/Broadwey from the mid 1600s, whereas the Bexington family do not appear to have arrived before 1730.  "Farmer" William presumably being of the latter family, but in Upwey, before moving to Portesham.
 
Plenty to think about. 
Thanks 
Warwick
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Oct 26, 2005
Subject: DNA

Unfortunately we have yet to get close to the origins of the Joseph line, but Peter came, we now think, probably from somewhere near Dorchester (or Piddlehinton), in Dorset - as did William Kellaway, the commander of the Luxborough, who died in 1727.  Fertile ground, but it was the name William that caught my eye.

(Recently also we had a young William Kelloway who arrived in James City in 1623.)
William, John, and Thomas, were all popular Dorset family names in that area in the 1600s.
 
My main interest is obviously my own line, which has given me all sorts of woe, but may be slowly unravelling.
My earliest confirmed forebear was William Thomas Calloway/Kellaway c on the Isle of Wight in 1765.  I now have his forebears, I think, back through his father Edward Calloway, to presumed grandfather Thomas Kelloway in Hampshire, born possibly about 1670-80.  I suspect somewhere around Piddlehinton in Dorset.
I am now fairly certain that when William Thomas moved to Dorset in 1787, he went to the area where his grandfather and two uncles, William and Thomas, had lived some time before.  
 
I still do not know what his occupation was.  His Hampshire people were innkeepers and brewers, his Isle of Wight relatives definitely mainly mariners.  He moved about, and neither he nor, more especially his father Edward, were clear in Parish Registers.  I suspect an explanation is that they also were mariners.
 
What I am coming to after all this preamble, is that I see firstly, two William Kellaways in the early Peter line, both born around the same time as Williams I have noted in Dorset (although William and Mary were co-rulers at that time, and would popularise the name).  But more particularly Edward, who born in 1711, almost mirrors my mysterious Edward, who would have been born about the same time.  My man seems to have "disappeared", from the PRs, after marrying Ann Wilkins in Hampshire in 1740, before "reappearing" on the Isle of Wight around 1750.  Presumably they had children before the first I had recorded in 1753, but who, and where?
 
I realise that my family DNA, while similar, certainly does not match the Peter line, but do note that Peter's grandson Edward had three children, Job, John and Isaac, who were born between 1740 and 1750 - my missing dates.  However his father was John, not Thomas.
I could be wrong over Thomas being my WT's grandfather, and Johns were common in the family also, but does anyone perhaps have Edward's wife's name?  Were there daughters, and when were they born?  Please?
(Curiously there were three succeeding Thomases in Peter's family also, the same as I found in Hampshire about the same time.) 
 
All these things are probably co-incidences, but sometimes they are hiding something. 
 
I have been impressed by the way the early Peter and Joseph families have been recorded.  Is there any information yet as to what extent they travelled back to England, either for trade, or as mariners themselves?
If nothing else, I sense that, as with the English C/K families, they maintained family contact for many years.
That possibly the contact was through mariners in the family in those early 16-1700s particularly. 
(Bill (William) Hamilton's family may be examples.  Maybe no-one wants to own "commander" William.)
 
My weekend thoughts.
Any comments, or key names please? 
I have found that the names of children often indicate the grandparents, but here we would probably only have Peter indicated, possibly John or William.  There was a William, with brother John, born 1610-15, in Charminster Dorset, but no indication of matching descendants, and certainly no Peters. 
Regards 
Warwick

From: Sherrill Williams
Sent: Oct 30, 2005
Subject: Access to Archives

The other day, I checked out Access to Archives for updates; searched on few versions of C/K and also on Cammell, Camell, Cammel, Camel. Some of the results are intersting.

Somerset Record Office:
Helyer Documents and Muniments from Coker Court DD\WHh/929. 1438 - Grant - by Wm Whyker and John Aleyne to John Wyke & Joan his wife, of all the lands, etc which the former had by grant from John Cammell, with remainder to the said John Cammell, brother of the said Joan. [NOTE: This John Wyke who married Joan Cammell was s/o John Wyke and his wife, Joan, widow of Thomas C/K, the "presenter at Sutton Bingham.]

DD\WHh/930-31. 24 June 1439 - Conveyance and Counterpart by William Wheker and John Aleyn to John Wyke and Joan his wife of their manor of Loderforde which they had by grant of John Cammell of Shapwyke, esquire, with remainders to John Cammell, father of the said John & the heirs of his body.

DD\WHh/932. 1439 - Ratification by Robert Cammell, son & heir of John Cammell of Shapwick of [930-31, above] to the said John Wyke & Joan his wife. Two seals on this document.

DD\WHh/918. 1355 - Grant - Frater Robert de Herdscotte, Prior of Bustlesham (Bisham Monteque, co. Berks) and the Convent there by permission of the lord and founder Dom. William de Monte Acuto, Earl of Salisbury to John de Cammell of their manor of Loderford.

[The above are the same documents where was found the early info on the C/Ks and Westons in Dorset, as well as the 1308 will of John Calowe.]

Phelips MSS (Phelips family of Montacute, Somerset) DD\PH/243. 1593-1789. Thos Keylway of Preston Plucknett, gent., 1673 - Preston Plucknett deeds, etc. - A bundle of misc. documents involving the Phelips family; case relating to the claims and liabilities of the impropriator [Thos. Keylway]in right of his wife, n.d., c1667; there is reference to the chapel 'not being an ancient burying place,' being made use of by
the inhabitants when the plague was at Yeovil; settlement after marriage of Jane Phillips, formerly Jane Keylway, wid., and Wm. Phelips of Montacute, of the rectory and tithes of Preston, Addams tenement in Trent, etc, 1680, and release, 1717; manors of Preston Plucknett and Wheathill and various messuages and lands (named) in Yeovil, 1751; agreement for sale by Edw. Phelips of the manor of Preston Plucknett and Preston Farm, 1757.

DD\PH/243. 1593-1789. Testamentary Records [this file contains wills or estate records for a number of people, including]: Thos. Keylway of Preston Plucknett, gent. 1673, ad. 1674

DD\PH/136. 1744. Geo. Kellaway Vs John Newman & Hy. Mead, complaining of seizure of butter, etc. taken by defendants, as servants of Eliz. Phelips, because of plaintiff's non-payment of market dues.

More to come -
Sherrill


From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Nov 15, 2005
Subject:  Caillouet Chronicles

Hi Bruce and all
Probably we all have the principal aim of determining our own line.  I don't know about others, but mine have been particularly frustrating, from the first endeavour to find my great grandfather.  Since then it has been a long process, but fascinating all the same.

My second interest has been in uncovering the early C/K forebears.  Whether they are directly related or not, we will probably never know.  Again it has been fascinating, but certainly not frustrating.
 
I found, by putting together the Chronicles (attached is the latest précis version for those who have lost or not seen earlier versions), so that not only could I understand better what had happened, but it was possible to develop a chronological history of the greater family, from very early times.
New evidence continues to appear, which at times causes an adjustment, but generally reinforces the original story. 
Bruce, I have looked at a revised version of the original, but admit am reluctant, because it is the fine detail that would need adjustment, and definite enlargement.  To include, for example, all that Sherrill has produced of late, will be a major exercise.  The time factor is my concern.
Will think about it.
 
DNA has offered a completely new approach, with the often unexpected results providing some fascinating answers.  There is hopefully now the opportunity, apart from everything we gain personally, and the real need to determine US Peter and Joseph, to link the pre 1600 period of the Chronicles with today. 
The reason for not continuing on from 1600 had been the extreme complexity of the family records from that time.  Especially the very frustrating period through the 1600s when, while we had some Parish Registers and other records to assist us, we were no longer looking at just the prominent people, but a mass of minor families, who developed into us.
 
We have a growing complex set of DNA returns at this time and, while I opinion that most of us can track back to an original "modal", there are some, particularly the Viking haplogroup, that give occasion for further thought. 
(This situation appears also with other families - in fact I suspect we may be more closely connected than many.)
Please bear with me, but I have a new theory in that regard. 
 
We claim descent from a common Norman/Normandy base around 1100, and I suggest the mutations we see with our DNA appear to support that situation.  For example we think the Devon family may have become established around 1200, therefore we could be looking at 800 years of mutations there, despite matching names.  (800 years is beyond most current DNA research.)
That I think is our curious DNA.  Our name, unlike others, was locality based very early.  Over time the name was retained, in different forms, it diverged, and in some cases merged again.  But the family DNA connection for some might have been as far back as 900-1000 years ago around Caillouet. 
 
We tend to think that some magical Caillouet crossed the Channel somewhere between 1066 and 1165.
However it seems much more likely that there was more than one - from the same "location" - and at different times  over the period from William in 1066 to perhaps as late as 1200.
An aspect that has worried me, is that the Normans/Norsemen were Vikings, who settled along the northern French rivers.  It is curious that the Vikings who settled around the British Isles at the same time brought their language with them, and we have much of it today.  The Norsemen assumed the French language.  Strange.
 
There were only 1-200 years before they crossed to England - either in 1066 or later.  William's Normans were said to comprise numbers of mercenaries, presumably Western European, but his leading knights would have represented the principal families of Normandy.  We could assume that the de Cailli/Caillouets were from that Viking bloodline, while the marriage to Hawisa is evidence of high family status.  So why is there so little Viking DNA evident?
 
My theory is that as well as there being several temporal C/K arrivals from Normandy.  That possibly there were not so many Viking males who settled in France in the first place.  There were obviously senior French families there already, and I am not aware of too much fighting - they settled.  Did the Vikings take many of their own families with them? 
Some men may have gone back "home", were killed perhaps.  Many of the "Norman" seigneurs, huntsmen, lesser nobles, could have been descended from Viking daughters, who had intermarried with local families. 
These Franco/Normans were perhaps the majority of those who eventually went to England.  
So we see more of the Western European Haplogroup?
 
Overall what I am hoping is that obviously we will share information on our own families, whether DNA, new research, or Censi/Censuses.  But we pursue that 1600 period, which apart from linking back to medieval times, is the key to everything that has happened since. 
I was happy to see the Census records, not only because they might resolve some of my puzzling Hampshire family background, but they provide information on whole families, in 1851 and 1881.  The 1851 Census gave a tenuous link back into the 1700s, the 1881 Census forward into the 1900s.
 
We are close to finding Peter's family origin, and need to scrape deeper into Dorset, which not only hides him, (and as Sherrill suggests, possible descent from Nicholas of Forston), but growing research suggests may have more family origins than we once thought.  So far, DNA there is elusive if nothing else.
We need to explore the other counties for Joseph.  I sense Cornwall may hide him, but it could be any of the other areas/counties.  So far we are very limited on Wiltshire, which we know was a major family home. 
So far we have no known DNA from there at all.
(Russ has a good point, that we do bring Bill Hamilton further into the loop, and obtain new thoughts about where we lie at present.)
 
The more diverse the field, the more likely we are to find answers.  Different spellings, even quite different, can be considered.
 
I still see Devon, and the several early family homes there, as a very valuable research area.  We know very little about those places, and the people who lived there.  How connected was the ancient family of Kellys of Kelly?
(The Devon DNA, I suggest, is closest to the "modal" that I pursue.  Possibly because they were more established in one area over a long period of time.)
 
We will obtain more information, and hopefully sort out what may seem confused at present, but it will take time.
 
I agree with your five areas of research, Bruce, except perhaps item 2.
To "précis" what I add from the above, I see/suggest the following:
 
We will continue our own family research - obvious.
We concentrate on Dorset, both in research and DNA.
We expand into presently unexplored areas, such as Wiltshire, with research and DNA.
We research further into the early Devon family.
We look at other "names" to see whether there are family connections, again through DNA.
 
There will rarely be any immediate answers, but more and more pieces of the C/K jigsaw will come forth.
And it is a fascinating story.
 
Warwick


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