Kell-Chat
An
Ongoing International Conversation
between Callaway and Kellaway family researchers
discussing family origin, history and genealogy research in England
2001
(this file is VERY large and can be slow to load)
Primary
Participants -
Warwick Kellaway (Hamilton, New Zealand)
Bruce Callaway (Sydney, New South Wales)
Bill Callaway (British Columbia)
Sherrill Williams (Unicoi, Tennessee)
Pat Schnurr (Maitland, Florida)
Cary Moore (Birmingham, Alabama)
Bill Piper (Kent, U.K.)
From: Warwick
Kellaway
Sent: Jan 30, 2001
Subject: Name variations
I concur with Bill's comments concerning the three syllables, and am quite sure "-we" was commonly pronounced "-way". We also need not worry about the phonetically different sounding names today.
However, particularly around Durham, the "e"s did seem to have been gradually dropped, and family names such as Kellawe became Kellaw. Why I have no idea - dialect? - laziness?
Further, and to add to the problems, we had Roger de Kaillewi, in Gloucester in the early 1100s, also being referred to as de Cailli, while 100 years later Adam de Caylewe of Brimpsfield was also referred to as Kaylli and Caley ( incidentally his wife Mabel was a Giffard, and his presumed son, Simon, lived at Side nearby). These references seem to completely dispel any phonetic logic, and perhaps indicate that in the early period names were fairly casually applied, while possibly with our barbarian lot, only the scribes could read and write.
As the Kellows, Calloes, Caleys, and Kellys continued on into distinct families, I have generally discounted them after the early period, but some could well be related, and might explain why our family "disappeared" from some areas. Therefore because your first quoted period was 1385-9, I would definitely include William Kalowe, and the well known John Callowe, but unless someone has evidence to connect the others, would discount them.
As regards your 1216-25 period however, we have some fascinating family names.
Osbertum Kelewe, I have never met before, and he would seem to have been named after Osbern Giffard, as Elias was after Elias Giffard - was Osbertum perhaps his brother?
The vicarage of Kellawe is, I presume, that near Durham, and where I suspect the family of Bishop Richard lived at the time.
Henry de Kaleys is probably(?) from a different family, however some of the other names and places do make me wonder. I am fairly sure Osbert and Simon de Kaily are family, and relate to the castle of Brimpsfield and manor of Side. (The use of forms of "Caley" seemed common around Gloucester).
Robert de Cayly requires checking. Henry Kalle - probably not. Elena de Calewe, a new name to me - yes.
William de Kaylweyt - yes. Michael and Roger le Calewe - yes. Thomas and Walter le Calewe, also new to me in this guise, although the names are familiar in Devon, Dorset and Somerset, and need further investigation, - yes.
There is some great new information here - all adding to the picture.
Certainly there is a lot more to check out.
From: Warwick
Kellaway
Sent: Feb 1, 2001
Subject: Margaret wife of Hugh Courtenay, Earl of Devon
Dear Bruce
It would be tough though if we have been looking at the wrong French village all this time! Somehow I suspect it is of more recent origin. There is also another Caillouet in the Pas de Calais area with, I think, its own coat of arms. While we passed through France (for 4 days) we stayed a night at Montrichard (near Tours) and had noted just south of there, towards Vierzon, a farm/garage with the name Caillouet on it. So, like the rabbits, I guess they are around France.
I have been mulling over Sherrill's new names and dates, and note that Margaret was the wife of Hugh Courtenay, Earl of Devon. She caused some strife over Kellaways Manor a few years later, just before we lost it, and I suspected she may have been Edmund's niece, the daughter of William. I don't really think John de Kelly would have been a family member but, if Margaret wasn't actually related, she certainly seems to have been a very stroppy lady!
From: Warwick
Kellaway
Sent: Feb 6, 2001
Subject: St. Georges Chapel, Thomas Kellway/Kellaway
I have now returned from the Waihi surf to land on some bleeding slab at Windsor Castle. I will study the various learned comments on St Louis, the architecture, the Catholics etc. further, but coincidentally was looking over my notes about New Windsor Castle last weekend. (Tuesday was our Waitangi Day - National Holiday). The person you are looking for would be Thomas Kellway/Kellaway (not sure about other spelling options), who was Dean's Curate and minor Canon at St Georges Chapel Windsor from 1671-75, at least. There is a record of Jasper, presumably his son, being christened there in 1668, and a series of births and deaths through to his son George's burial in 1730, aged 47, and daughter Elizabeth's burial in 1737, aged 61. He was buried "in woollen", as was the custom then, on October 12 1718 (do not know his age).
Thomas was noted for "his neat hand", including initials and signatures, between 1671-75. Other records were in "a very bad hand by a person of limited education". Records were made of baptisms of children born in the Castle to Organists, Military Knights, Lay Clerks and Vergers. Marriages were not only of residents of the Castle, but also residents in the district, artisans and trades people, also well known families. Burials included Military Knights, Lay Clerks and Musicians. All in addition to the Royal Family and other dignitaries.
I have not yet discovered his earlier family, but I recall the name Jasper occurs later elsewhere. Cannot comment on the Queen's Chapel aspect (have never been there), but it may be a side chapel of St Georges, and as a curate he could have some justification for being there.
From: Warwick
Kellaway
Sent: Feb 7, 2001
Subject: St. Georges Chapel
I have had another look at all the Chapel e-mails and think I may have rushed in with St Georges Chapel. Windsor is in Berkshire and some distance from St James Palace. It therefore may be a completely separate issue. Further if the name was clearly "Callaway", it seems unlikely that that spelling would not have appeared somewhere in the Windsor register. I am not sure just when the actual Callaway spelling first appeared, but think it was probably around 1500. It would seem reasonable therefore that the slab could date from after 1623, if that was when our Queens Chapel was built. In the Parish Records of St Margarets Westminster, I have noted a lot of family references between 1594 and 1660. The Church would have been close to Parliament, and probably St James Palace(?), but I think disappeared either in the Great Fire of 1666, or in Wren's major rebuild after.
The interesting thing is that the spellings for some 40 references used about 8 variations, from Kellowaie to Collaway. Richard and Katherine, for example, produced at least 8 children, including Faith, Hope and Charity (all christened on the same day in 1659). Their name was Kallaway in 1648, otherwise Calloway or Callaway. Why there were so many variations at that time I don't know, as some of these people I would have assumed to be well educated. It therefore seems to me that, as at Windsor, there could well have been commoners buried at, or commemorated in, the Chapel. There had been no family connections with the Royal family for several centuries, but there was I think another Robert, who held an important legal position, similar to the well known Robert Keilway, about that time. Someone, Bill(?), is going to have a lovely time looking.
[See 6 May 2001, below.]
From:
Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 8, 2001
Subject: Queen's Chapel, St. Georges Chapel
Records were made of baptisms of children born in the Castle to Organists, Military Knights, Lay Clerks and Vergers. Marriages were not only of residents of the Castle, but also residents in the district, artisans and trades people, also well known families. Burials included Military Knights, Lay Clerks and Musicians. All in addition to the Royal Family and other dignitaries. I have not discovered Thomas's earlier family, but recall that the name Jasper occurs later elsewhere. Cannot comment on the Queen's Chapel aspect, but it could be a side chapel to St Georges and, as a curate, he would have justification for being there.
As I said in the later mail, Thomas may be the man commemorated by the slab, but I really think now it was someone else, because the two Chapels are so far apart, and because of the definite Callaway spelling.
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 19, 2001
Subject: Gawen
Hello All,
Sorry to leave some out of the loop, but I had started out to make a comment to Warwick and ended up giving him some data. However, the main point of this was regarding "Robert of the Wards & Liveries." Does anyone have an actual copy of his will? If not, we do need this. I have several abstracts, but the abstracts seem always to leave questions in my mind. Just before we left on our research trip in Sept 2000, I found a record which I now cannot uncover.
It will surface soon, I hope. I made notes from it. It may have been a GAWEN pedigree.
According to this record, ROBERT K. OF NEW SARUM had a daughter, Alice, who married William Gawen; they had a son, Thomas Gawen. The GAWEN line appears to be as follows
I John Gawen md. ___ De La Mare
II Thomas Gawen of Northington, Wilts md. Elizabeth Coker (d/o John Coker of Mapowder, Dorset)
Their children
A. William Gawen md Alice Kelway
1. Thomas Gawen
B. John Gawen
C. Henry Gawen
D. Edeth Gawen md. Robert Gerard of Samford Peverell, Som.
E. Ann Gawen - a nun at Tarant
F. Jane Gawen - md. John Kelway, Gentl. of Bapton, Wilts
The following abstract of the will of Robert "of the Wards & Liveries" was published in "Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills," 4th Series (1889). I found this in Hobart Bartlett's papers
ROBERT KELWAYE of Stebonheath, co. Middx., esq. (That is for sure, but I do not have it.)
Will dated July 6, 1580;
proved Mar 6, 1580 (1580/81) by John & Ann Harrington [9 Darcy].
[Legacies]
- My cousin Francis Kelwaye, son & heir of Sir William Kelwaye, Knt., Sir William, the eldest of the family associated with Rockbourne had brothers Giles, (see Letters & papers Henry V111, Vol xx, part 2, page 42) John who married Elizabeth Knight on 29th January 1574 at Brading and died and was buried at Godshill I.O.W. in 1583 (Will in my posession), Henry, George, and Sisters Dorothy and Elizabeth. Francis (who died in 1603) was the eldest son of Sir William. dec'd - 1000 pds....
( I would refer you to Francis' travails in my Tudor Callaway article in the CFA Journal of 1985 which is reproduced on my website)
-Lady Kelwaye, widow of Sir William Kelwaye - 10 pds.
(That is news but who was she?)
-Elizabeth, wife of John Crooke of Chilton, Bucks 10 pds,
and her daughter Prudence, 100 pds. at marriage
-Edward Knoyle of Sanford Orcas, gent - 100 pds
-My nephew Thomas South of Swallowcliff, Wilts - 100 pds
-My brother Peter South
-My servants at my house at Shalingford, Berks, & at the Temple & in Fleet Street
(Obviously the last in inheritance of the "C's" and "K's". The dissolution of the Chanceries under Henry V111, and the wide influence of the lawyer involved is invoked by Warwick!)
-William Butler of Alton, Wilts, esq. - a gelding
-Sir Thomas Bromley & Robert Freke of Shroton, Overseers
-My nephew Thomas Gawen, son of William Gawen, esqr., dec'd - one pair of salts.
-To my daughter Ann Harrington, my estate in the late Monastery of Combe, Warwick & in Pudleton, Dorset, Shallingford, Berks, & in London.
-My said daughter Ann & her husband John Harrington, son of Sir James Harrington, Knt. to be Exors.
I think I have another version of this will that mentions other people, which makes it important to see the actual will. But, this version is telling in mentioning "my cousin, Francis Kelwaye, son & heir of Sir William Kelwaye, Knt." Robert uses both terms "cousin" and "nephew" which he seems to have defined. If his "cousin" is Francis Kelwaye, then Sir William Kelwaye, Kt. is his "uncle" - which then makes Robert's father to be a brother of "Sir William" and to be another son of "Sir John of Rockborne."
(not so, see above)
If Robert of "W & L" is the son of "Robert of New Sarum" then who is he?
(Certainly worth looking into)
Is this part of the Sherborne family, and does it link to the "Webbs of Salisbury"?
(Good one for Warwick)
This will also "suggests" that Robert had a sister who married Peter South and had a son Thomas South; and a sister who married William Gawen and had son, Thomas Gawen.
[I think the mention of "Thomas South" is from another version of the will.]
Everything I have read about Robert of "Wards & Liveries" and wife, Cecily, says they had only one child, Ann Harrington.
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 20, 2001
Subject: Robert Keyway, Sir John of Rockborne
Re Robert Kelway, etc. and how he might relate to the family of Sir John of Rockborne - We acquired copies of a number of Court of Request documents last year at PRO. Many of them concern the property of Rockborne manor. One in particular that I have been "deciphering" has a lot of papers included. One of these is the "answers" of "Francis Kalaway of Rockborne in the countie of South__ Esquier, sworn and examined" [he responds to 13 questions]. In his "answers" he states that he is a son of Sir William Kalaway.
Response to question 7 - "To the seventh he saith that he verily believeth the saide Dame Anne mother to the saide Deponent hadd certaine lande and tenements appointed unto her for her Joynature by Sir John Kalawaye grandfather to this Deponent, but whether before her marriage or after this Deponent doth not certainly know." [I assume that "Dame Anne" is the "Lady Kelway" referred to in the will of Robert of the W. & L.]
10. "To the tenth he saith that the same Dame Anne (as the said Deponent verily thinketh) did release her Joyntures or Dower of all ____ lands as were assigned unto her Joynture by the said Sir John Kalawaye unto the said Sir John and to MR. ROBERT KALAWAYE as this Deponent verily supposes........"
I believe this document states that Dame Anne had benefited from her dower "yerely" until the "yere of o'r lord one Thousand fyve hundred and threfore(?) or thereabouts."
(I will need to work on this actual date).
The documents in this file are lengthy and "wordy" and it requires some concentration to decipher them. Perhaps we will learn more of MR. ROBERT KALAWAYE in other of these documents. Just throwing this out to tantalize everyone who might be interested.
From: Warwick Kellaway, Bruce Callaway
Sent: Feb 22, 2001
Subject: John on the IOW
Warwick: I cannot add a lot to the Robert saga at present, and look to those with more access to the records However, from my information, Francis, being born about 1525, ...
Bruce: I have Francis' death as 1603, he had a son Thomas, and brothers Ambrose and Edward, for what that is worth.
Warwick: ...... would have been about 30 years younger than the W & L/ Legal Robert, and they would not therefore normally be "first" cousins - maybe second, or more remote.
My deduction, from the Heraldic Pedigrees, is that Robert's father William, and his uncle Robert, would have been first cousins to Francis's grandfather Sir John.
Bruce: I tend to agree
Warwick: I do not know how an Elizabethan would address a cousin, particularly an older cousin, but he might use the uncle/nephew terminology? Would Francis refer to the old fellow as cousin Robert, or maybe as uncle Robert? I may be astray here, but did not Shakespeare use the description "cousin" liberally?
Bruce: Quite so. I believe that no reliance can be placed on the use of the word cousin
Warwick: Pleased to know a little more about John on the IOW, Bruce, did he leave descendants? I only have a few marriages, references on the Poll Tax Subsidy Rolls from 1357(!) to 1661, the Muster Rolls of 1626/7, and of course the story of your cousin Sophie, who murdered the Duc de Bourbon! I do have the PR for St Helens(C), Newport(C), Yarmouth(K), Freshwater(K), and Newchurch(K), from about 1755-1860.
Bruce: John who married Elizabeth Knight at Brading 29th Jan 1574 (HPR) was a Coppersmith, bur 1583 Godshill, Will in my posession. He is mentioned in the Royal survey of Chale 1559/60 and rental Godshill 1566. Elizabeth died 1585 and I have the inventory of her goods & chattels. They had two sons Richard (ship's money Chale 1637 who married Elizabeth King 4th August 1624 (HPR) and John who married Elizabeth ? John is mentioned in Ship's money Chale 1637 died 1650/1, buried Chale and I have his will. John is my ancestor, The relationship to his Uncle William, and Grandfather Sir John of Rockbourne, the division on the Isle of Wight between the Kellaways of the western side and my mob on the Eastern clearly need a bit more work
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 24, 2001
Subject: My Devon problem Mokesbeare
Sherrill, Bruce, Bill and Bill With so many people involved with different aspects, I am never quite sure who to address.
Great to see the description of the Bissett arms and comments, Sherrill. It all adds to the overall picture, and Bruce is obviously delighted.
I have now put together my precis of the Chronicles, as promised, and shall try to add it to this mail, as a file (it is 31/2 A4 pages - sorry about the length). Will apologise in advance, as my file sendings don't always work. The information changes day by day, and I must move it, or there will be futher "improvements". I have now discovered the Library copies of the Domesday Book, and in less than an hour got quite a lot out of it.
My Devon problem Mokesbeare, or whatever, was Muxbere in 1086. Also called Mukelebere, it was coupled with Sweteton/Sutton and held in fees from the Earl of Gloucester. I had not been aware that there was an Earl at that time, but it does tie in with later events away in Gloucester, and with the Gloucesters. Valued at only 1 hide, it was held as one manor. A small scale map indicates the possible location as somewhere a little north of, or perhaps within, presentday Willand. Sutton may be Sutton Barton, southwest of Willand.
Osbern Giffard held the 10 hide Wiltshire manor of Terrintone/Tytherton (Kellaways), and the 9 hide manor of Brimpsfield in Gloucestershire, among a number of others held by a person named Dunn at the Conquest (Dunn appears to have been able to keep one property anyway). This again creates a more definite reason for the family at both locations, some 100 years later. Interestingly, Osbern also held (acquired?) the Dunn manors of Rockhampton in Langley, and Stoke (Stoke Lacy?) in Ledbury, Hertfordshire. The first family reference we have, Roger, may have come from Hereford, or Ledbury(?) Osbertum Kelewe is referred to separately in 1223, while the fourth Elias Giffard held the Baronry in 1242-3.
The presence of the Osberts and Eliases in both families is not likely to be a coincidence.
Osbert de Kaily and Simon de Kaily were given "simple Protection" from Aug 28 1264 "until
Easter". The odd abreviated spelling presumably connects with the Simon Caley/Caleway who was involved with the manor of Side, and the Giffards, in 1284. The protection appears to relate to the victory of Simon de Montfort over King Henry III at the Battle of Lewes in May, and the begining of a brief Parliament. Simon de Montfort was defeated by Prince Edward, (and dismembered), at the Battle of Eavesham the next August, so we have to wonder a little about how Osbert and Simon fared. It does however probably confirm that the family, or some of them, were on the side of the barons at this time.
Back in the Domesday Book, in Dorset, 8 hide (Stalbridge) Weston is referred to, as being held by the Bishop before the Conquest, but there is no indication of any family connection.
I could not find Durham, but will look further. The village of Kellawe is however referred to separately in 1260, which means the village was in existence long before Richard became Bishop.
In other references, we have Philip de Empingham pardoned for the death of Elena de Calewe and two others at Dunfermline in 1303. In Scotland? Thomas and Walter le Calewe were pardoned for entering the close of Thomas de Tydenton, late parson of the church of Pilardinton Hercy (near Stratford upon Avon), breaking his doors and windows, and carrying away his goods, in 1310.
That should be enough for now, but good luck Bill with St James and Buck House. I don't really think that "stone" is at Windsor, but note in my Bannister Fletcher (History of Architecture - the Architects Bible), that there are two small unnamed "chapels" each side of the nave/choir of St Georges(?) There was no plan of St James.
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 24, 2001
Subject: ROBERT
Let's work on ROBERT.
I have finally come across the GAWEN pedigree. It was in Pat's copies - Visitation of Wilts (date?). This pedigree is given in paragraph form, as opposed to the "diagram" form we usually see.
GAWEN of Titchborne - Arms Quarterly 1 and 4, Ermine, on a saltire engrailed Azure, five fleurs-de-lis Or, 2 and 3, Gules, two leopards's passant in pale Argent impaling Gules, two wings conjoined in lure Or (Seymore).
JOHN GAWEN of Northington, co. Wilts, Esq., mar _____ da. and one of the heirs of _____ Delamare, and by her had issue, - THOMAS, his eldest son; EDMOND, second son; ROBERT, third son; JANE, first mar. to (Thomas) Anketell in co. Dorset, Gent, after to _____ Bamfield, in co. Somerset, Gent., thirdly to Nicholas Cheverell of Owre, co. Dorset, Gent; ALYS, mar. to James Coker of Ahse at Berwick St. John, co. Wilts., Gent.
THOMAS GAWEN of Northington, Esq., eldest son and heir to John, mar. Elizabeth, da. of John Coker of Mapowder, co. Dorset, Esq., and by her had issue, - WILLIAM, his eldest son, now living; JOHN, second son; HENRY, third son; EDETH, mar. to Robert Gerard of Sampford Peverell, co. Somerset; ANN, a nun in Tarant; JANE, mar. to "John Kelway" of Bapton, co. Wilts, Gent.
WILLIAM GAWEN of Northington, Esq., eldest son and heir to Thomas, mar. "Alice, da. of Robert Kelway of New Sarum, co. Wilts," and by her had issue, - THOMAS, his only son now living.
The following is from "History of Wiltshire," by Hoar (pp. 43/44) - [Hund. of Frustfield]
WHITEPARISH.
Freeholders 8 Henry VII.
William Cayleway, John Estcourt, John Uffenham, John Gerberd, John Kirkebye, John Cosyn, ______ Lye, Nickolas Smythe, Thomas Sampson.
Freeholders 13 Henry VII.
John Estcourt, William Keyleway, John Kirkeby, John Gerberd, William Swayne, William Cauntewell.
Freeholders 22 Henry VII.
Anthony Stilman, William Keyleway, Thomas Estcourt, the heirs of John Gerberd, John Bacon, heirs of John Uffynham, ____ Elys, John and Walter Kirkeby, William Swayne.
Freeholders 10 Henry VIII.
Anthony Styllman, Welliam Selwyne, William Keilway, Thomas Eascourt, John Uffynham, William Burde, John Hunt, John Wallis.
Freeholders 2 Elizabeth.
Nicholas Carew, Edmund Estcourt, heirs of Estman and Cantwell, John Keilway, heirs of Johnson, and Richard Styleman.
Freeholders 3 Elizabeth.
John Kelloway, John Sampson, John Bell, Nicholas Bacon, Anthony Stileman, Thomas Wicks, the heirs of Thomas Johnson, heirs of Cantewell, Giles Estcourt, heirs of Codford.
Freeholders 11 Elizabeth.
John Sampson, John Bell, John Strugnell, Henry Kelloway, Anthony Stileman arm., Thomas Southe arm., Giles Estcourt, Nicholas Norice.
Freeholders 18 Elizabeth.
Nicholas Bacon, Esq. - for Blackerswell John Sampson - for Harestock. John Bell - for Hoptons Freeholders in 1622.
William Stockman, William Stockman (twice), Andrew Wicks, Giles Eyre, James Lynch, William Noyes, ____ Bell, heirs of John Samson, Anthony Hayter, ____ Puddy.
Freeholders in 1657.
William Stockman, John Weeks, Richard Hayter, Edward Younge, Peter Gwyer, William Samson, Richard Palmer, Roger Thayne, Mr. Lynch, Walter Thomas, Peter Atwood, John Strugnell, Robert Ingram.
Of these proprietors, or their descendants, although some slight subsequent notice will be made in mentioning the principal remaining farms within the Manor, it would be impossible to trace all the separate possessions, and sufficiently tedious if it were possible.
A more particular notice, however, is required of the family of KEILWAY, whose name frequently occurs in these lists; they are, probably, descended from Elias de Caillowie, who married Bertha, daughter of Elias Gifford, of Boyton, living in the reign of King Henry II., and appear to have had considerable property in the Manor, possibly portions of the land now included in Younge's and the Street farm; and I conclude from the following pedigree, taken chiefly from the Visitations, that they derived their possessions here from the family of Barrett.
This last mentioned name is also of high antiquity; for Walter Baratt, the brother of Fulco, in the 3rd of King John quitted claim of his own land to have that of Walter Waleran [MSS. Phillips].
Pedigree of BARRETT and KEILEWAY, of WHELPLEY and WHITEPARISH.
Arms Barrett -- Or, on a chevron between three mullets Sable, three lions passant gardant of the Field.
Keileway -- Argent, two glazier's snippers in saltire between four pears Sable.
John Barrett = Agnes, dau. of John Ellis of Bapton
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Henry Barrett, of Whiteparish = Joane, dau. of ____ Camell, of Fittleford,
co. Dorset.
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Jane, dau. & heir of Henry Barrett = William Keileway of Sherborne, co.
Dorset
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Thomas Keileway, eldest son & heir, of Sherborne, co.
Dorset. = d/o of
Lewston | of Lewston, co. Dorset, Esq.
|= d/o ___ Stantor,
of Horningsham, |co. Wilts. [1st mar.??]
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|William - Peter - Thomas
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Robert* - William - Agnes, or Alice*
*Robert Keileway, eldest son and heir of Sherbourne = Jane, d/o Thomas Gawen
of Northington, Wilts.
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John Kelleway, of Whiteparish, co. Wilts
Martin Keileway, of Lillington = Dorothy,
son & heir; living in 1555 = Jane, d/o
d/o John Frampton of Mouton
Thomas Gawen of Northington, co. Wilts
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Henry - Philip - Elizabeth
*Agnes, or Alice = William Gawen of Norrington
[If the above pedigree transmits "garbled" I will re-transmit it in a different format.....Sherrill]
{yes, please - Bill}
p. 47. Younge's Farm.
The ancient deeds of this property, part of which, with the homestead, immediately adjoins those before mentioned, are now no longer extant, but it is described as a "parcel of the inheritance of William Waller, or Henry Ringwood, Esquires, and other lands, in all about 133 acres." It takes its present name from Edward Younge, of Whiteparish, Gent. descended from the family of Great Durnford, in this county, to whose son and heir John it came about 1674.
[This does not mention the Keileway family, its association with the property now comprising "Younge's Farm" apparently having occurred many generations prior.......Sherrill].
-----There is more to follow in Note 2.]
From: Bruce Callaway
Sent: Feb 25, 2001
Subject: The Visitations
Sherrill wrote
NOTE This will be followed later by some notes on Martin Kelway - which may help clarify - but may confuse further - the relationships. Frankly, I think the "authors" of the histories became confused and the "heralds" doing the "visitations" were frauded, in some cases. How are we to make sense of it? Well, we will just keep trying to go through the "back door.
Dear Sherrill, You continue to amaze me with the depth of your researches. You have provided enough work for me for the next year! What you say above is so true. Part of the purpose of the visitations involved taxes and rentals to the Crown. Human nature has not changed in the past 1000 years. Nevertheless, with our ability now to cross reference, there are a few "back doors" which have been left open (I hope). Pedantic reliance on the "authors of histories" can also be confusing. Here I refer back to the Victorian History of Hampshire wherein part of the inheritance of Rockborne Manor was supplied many years ago by the 'deceased' bursar of Winchester College! That part has caused me untold hours of angst. He glossed over some 80 years prior to circa 1568 (the death of Sir John) meantime losing in my view at least one possibly two generations of "K's" and/or "C's"!
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 25, 2001
Subject: Martin Kayleway's will - 1575
Here follows two abstract versions of the will of Martin K. I find neither of them to be satisfactory, but unless good luck turns up another version, these will have to do for the present. The first abstract was published in "Somerset Will Abstracts," 1st Series, Brown, Rev. Frederick (1887), on p. 46.
MARTIN KAYLEWAY [or Kellaway] of Lillington, Dorset, Gent. Will dated Dec. 4, 1575, proved June 30 1575 by Henry Kayleway. [52 Pickering.] To my nephew John Jerrard, my young trotting gelding, with a white star in the forehead, &c..., & an obligation now depending between me & Xtopher Jerrard, of Wareham, & Eme his wife. To Ann Jerrard, my niece, L 20. My niece Grace Jerrard, daughter of Eme Jerrard. John, son of Thomas Clavell. William, son of John Kayleway, of Stalbridge. Dorothy my wife. Her brothers, Robert & Francis Frampton.
The other version is from a handwritten transcript, probably from the SOG library, London.
The handwriting is not very distinct, and I have rearranged this as a list -
51 Pickering 4 December 1575
Martin Kaylewaye of Lillington, Dorset
--to be buried in church of Lillington
--[bequest] to the church there
--[bequest] to church of Sherborne
--my nephew John Jerrarde - mentions law suit with Christopher Jerrarde of Wareham & Eme his wife.
--Anne Jerrarde my niece
--lease granted to me by John Cotherington of Fifod of meadows in Purbeck
--Grace Jerrarde my niece - Eme Jerrarde her mother
--Edith Hawarde
--John, son of Thomas Clavell
--Thomas Clavell of Bloxford
--William, son of William Kailewaye, late of Stalbridge
--Thomas Kailewaye the elder of Stalbridge
--Robert Kailewaye, brother to William & Thomas
--Thomas Kailewaye the younger, son of William, deceased
--to Sisley Plucknett, daughter of William Kailewaye, deceased
--to Darye? Plucknett - to every of her children
--my nephew Raynold Honnyngton
--Francis Frampton my wife's brother
--Joan Lyte her sister [wife's sister?]
--Henry Hussey
--my servants Edward Golfeney, Hugh Talbot, Maude Elford, Agnes Benbury, Joan Payne, Robert Howebins, Thomas Slownle?
--my boy Matthew
--my wife, Dorothy
--my ground at Lampforde? [Sampforde?]
--my lands &c formerly in occupation of Christian Masters deceased
--my nephew Henry Kaileway of Ticheborne, Wilts, Gent.
--Henry Kaylewaye, executor
--Overseers, John Leweston, Robert Frampton & Thomas Moleyns esq.
(Proved 30 January 1575 by Henry Keilewaye, executor
Notice that the first version says the will was proved in "June" 1575, and the last version gives "January" 1575. I believe that in one of the following chancery cases Martin's death is given as December 1575. These chancery cases were abstracted for CFA by Noel Currer-Briggs, and have been published in early volumes of The Callaway Journal. The original chancery cases are at PRO.
C3/278/64. 6 Nov 1606.
Bill of Complaint.
Henrie Kellaway of Lillington, Dorset Esq. with one Henry Reade bound in an obligation of L 44 for payment of L 72 about 8 years ago to Henrie White of the city of New Sarum, Wilts gent. being the debt of Henrie Kellaway. To indemnify Henry Reade, Henry Kellaway bound to the latter for L 80 agains loss or damage. Henrie Kellaway has paid L22 and has asked Henry Reade to return bond between them, but he refuses.
12 November 1606. Answer of Henry Reade gentleman defendant to the bill of complaint of Henry Kellaway, Esq.
Complaint exhibited by Robert Kellaway, son of complainant. Says L 21 not paid by Henry Kellawaye, & Henry White sued them both in Trinity Terme in 44 Elizabeth and recovered the som of L 40. Defendant often travelled to complainants house to entreat him to pay White his money, allowing judgement to stand for approximately 16 months. Defendant at the beginning of the Summer commenced a suit to recover the money by the bond in the court of the city of New Sarum. The complainant moved the cause by virtue of an habeas corpus into his Higness bench.
Replication by Henry Kelwaye Esq stating bill of complaint to be true.
C2 Charles I. K. 11/56. 13 February 1627. (Two inches of the right hand margin of this document are severely damaged).
Bill of Complaint of RICHARD KAYLWAY, gentleman, one of the Clerks of Valentine Saunders Esquire, one of the Six Attorneys or Clerks of Chancery.
Whereas MARTIN KEYLWAY, gent (several words missing) deceased, in his lifetime was seized in fee simple of an estate and inheritance in the MANOR OF NETHER LILLINGTON in the parish of (damaged)---Martin K. made his will 4 December 1575 and bequeathed (damaged) as follows And for the goodwill I the said Martin Keylway do bear to the name of the Kelways as also I desire by the Grace of God that all my lands may have continuance in the name of the Keylways I give (damaged) testament unto the heirs of my body lawfully begotten all those my lands and tenements, etc. that I have before in this my last will devised to my wife Dorothie Keylway, for her life, after her decease (damaged) for default of issue of me the said Martin Keylway (damaged) unto my nephew Henry Keylway of Tichborne in the coutny of ?Wiltshire [this passage is almost illegible; there is, however, a place called Tichborne in Hampshire which might well be correct....NC-B] -- Keylway the elder and Robert Keylway three other sons of the said William Keylway respectively and to the heirs male of every of their bodies and for want of such heirs to the right heirs of me the said Martin Keylway (damaged) and to be begotten and to the said Henry Henry Keylway and to the heirs male of his body and to the said Thomas Keylway the younger (damaged) the said William Keylway, Thomas Keylway the elder and Robert Keylway (damaged) and therefore I the said Martin Keylway do by this my last will and testament (damaged) appoint Henry Keylway executor and John Leweston, Robert Frampton, Thomas Mollins Esquires to be the overseers of this my last will and testament (damaged). MARTIN KELWAY DIED IN DECEMBER 1575 and in the January next following Henry Keylway proved the will and entered into possession of the said manor and lands. YOUR ORATOR saith (damaged) that such was the respect the said Martin Keylway did both long before and also at and after the making of the said will bear to Thomas Keylway the younger in the said Martin Keylway's will mentioned which Thomas (damaged) unto your Orator and also the occasion why Martin Keylway was so careful of setting his lands etc. upon his kindred was for that he feared the said Henry Keylway would in time to (damaged) and consume the same as he had done other lands left him by his father and therefore in regard he did bear special affection to your Orator's said father, being a younger brother and the fourth son of his father, and one for whome the said (damaged) would often say he had done more for in settling the remainder of the lands so upon him than for all his other kindred except the said Henry Keylway. Martin Keylway did also before the making (damaged) affirm and say to your Orator's father that he would have given him L 500 in money or land he did not think that he had not given a greater gift by appointing him and by the said will to be (damaged) after Henry Keylway as aforesaid which the said Martin Keylway so did, the rather because Henry Keylway had been married many years and had no issue at the time of Martin Keylway's death and was wasteful and had (damaged) estate which his father had left him as aforesaid. And your Orator further showeth that Henry Keylway not only proved Martin Kelway's will but also found an Inquisition Post Mortem of the said Martin Kelway (damaged) the said entail by will was found at large. Also Henry Keylway by virtue thereof having entered and enjoyed the lands did for many years together offer to sell the lands devised unto him as aforesaid (damaged) unto divers persons at several times insomuch that some were willing to have dealt with him for the same lands. But being advised by counsel concerning Henry Keylway's title (damaged) limited unto him by the said will, dissuaded such as would have purchased the same from him (damaged) Hurd, gent, wanting a convenient house for habitation proceeded in the purchase thereof at ord adventures and bought the said manor and lands from Henry Keylway. But before he had concluded for the same he the said Hurd repaired to (damaged) he being the son and heir of the said Thomas Keylway the younger, deceased, and consequently next in remainder entitled to the manor aforesaid by the will of Martin Keylway. And the said William Hurd would have had your Orator (damaged) [NOTE by NC-B It would appear that the last damaged passage contains the name of the plaintiff or Orator, namely Richard Keylway, who was therefore the son of Thomas Keylway the younger, deceased], reasonable composition have joined to the assurance which the said Henry Keylway and Robert his son of the said manor unto him, but your Orator refusing to do it the said William Hurd proceeded notwithstanding with the said Henry Keylway (damaged) the same manor lands conveyed unto him and his heirs by the said Henry Keylway and Robert Keylway and by the colour thereof he entered and possessed himself of the said manor insomuch that when your Orator was advised to enter into the same (damaged) and to bring the title to a trial of law. Thereupon your Orator made his entry in August 17 James I (damaged) and did make a lease thereof to one Walter Foy, gent, for five years, thereby to tune your Orator's title and afterwards Walter Foy did implede the said William Hurd by an (damaged). The case went to trial in Lent Assizes for the county of Dorset, and the verdict (damaged) [The next passage is extremely hard to understand since there are many folds, and much dirt on the parchment, but it appears that there were several trials which went to Appeal. The next passage which is more or less legible reads as follows] matter of record the said manor and lands of Lillington then in the possession of the said William Hurd (damaged) and the said Henry Hodges was put in possession by the Sheriff of Dorset, and William Hurd wholely outed. Then one John (damaged) one of the Clerks of Sir Laurence Washington, Kt., Registrar of this Court, understood he the said John Cole by himself or some other of his friend on his behalf made means to deal with the said William Hurd for the said manor....... [This occupies about seven-eighths of the total parchment sheet. The rest in purely of legal interest and contains no further genealogical information.]
The Demurreer of John Cole, gent., Defendant........It likewise appears by plaintiff's own showing that William Hurd obtained judgment in favour of Henry Keylway's and his own title.....[The rest of this Demurrer is only concerned with the legal niceties concerning the title and contains no genealogical information.]
This chancery case suggests to me that the actual will of Martin Keylway contains a lot more information than the above abstracts would lead us to believe. The case above further suggests that Martin Kelway desired the title to the Lillington property to remain with heirs bearing the Kelway name. For this reason, he gave Henry, his nephew, only a "life estate" in the case that he did not produce male heirs. Apparently Henry, ignoring Martin's intent, and probably needing "money" attempted to sell the Lillington property out of the family. But, his "cousin" Richard (s/o Thomas the younger) called his hand. Thus this chancery suit. We need to see a copy of Martin's actual will to learn if his desire to keep the property's title in the Kelway name is stated in the will.
Regardless, the title to the Lillington property did go to the Coles. In one of the History of Dorset volumes it is stated "from this family [Kelway] it came to the Coles, originally of Wiltshire. In a subsidy roll 1661 Mr. John Cole, Mr. Laurence Cole, and Mr. Thomas Gollop are mentioned at this place."
Enjoy! And when you all figure this family out, tell me about it.
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 25, 2001
Subject: William Kayleway Will
This will was published in one of the volumes of "Somerset Wills," pp.218/219.
WILLIAM KAYLEWAY [27 Godyn. Fo. 224]
21st May 1469, I, William Kayleway, the elder, son of John Kayleway, late of Shirborne in co. Dorset, make my will in this manner ---
Item, I bequeath to the cathedral church of Salisbury, 12d.
Item, to the parish church of Shirborne, my new missal; and I will that the said missal shall be well and suitably illuminated and bound at my costs and expense.
Item, I bequeath to the Abbot of Shirborne 6s.8d. and to his convent, to say "Placebo" and "Dirge" and mass for my soul, 13s.4d.
Item, I bequeath to the Vicar of Shirborne, for tithes forgotten, 6s.8d.
Item, to the almshouse of Shirborne aforesaid, 13s.4d.
Item, to the Prior and his brethren of Henton, to pray for my soul, 13s.4d.
Item, to the White Friars of Bristol, to pray for my soul, 13s.4d.
Item, to the Rector of la Grene of Shirborne, 3s.4d.
Item, to WILLIAM, my son, my two best horses with bridles and saddles and other apparel to the said horses belonging.
Item, to William Glover, my servant, 40s., and the horse on which he is accustomed to ride, with the saddle and bridle, and other apprel to the same pertaining.
To William Daniell, my servant, 10s.
Item, to John Preston, 10s., to pray for my soul.
Item, I bequeath to JOHN, son of the aforesaid WILLIAM, my son, all my lands and tenements in the county of Bristol, and in Yevell in co. Somerset, to have and to hold to the said JOHN and the heirs males of his body lawfully begotten forever; in default of such heir, the said lands and tenements shall remain to WILLIAM, brother of the said JOHN, and to his issue male; and in default of such heir male I will that the said lands shall remain to the said WILLIAM, my son, and to the heirs males of the body of my said son, WILLIAM lawfully begotten, for ever, and if it happen that the same WILLIAM, my son, die without issue male, then I will that the said lands, &c., remain to the right heirs of me, the said WILLIAM.
Item, I bequeath to the said WILLIAM, my son, a chalice of silver and in part overgilt, two phials of silver, one "paxbrede" of silver partly overgilt, my second missal and my breviary and all other necessaries belonging to my oratory in my messuage at Shirborne.
Item, I bequeath to the said WILLIAM one silver cup which I had of the gift of JOAN, mother of JOAN, my late wife.
Item, to the same WILLIAM one other silver cup called "Bollecuppe," to have and to hold all the aforesaid chalice &c. to the said WILLIAM, my son, and to the heirs of his body issuing, and I will that none of my heirs, under pain of my anathema, disobey or break this my will.
The residue of my jewels both silver and overgilt I give and bequeath to JOHN, son of my said son WILLIAM, and to the heirs males of his body lawfully begotten (&c. as before).
Item, I bequeath to the said WILLIAM, son of my said son WILLIAM, all my iron and all my "oode" [woad] which is in my cellar at Shirborne aforesaid.
Item, to AGNES, daughter of the said WILLIAM, my son, 40 li.
Item, to ALICE, the other daughter of the said WILLIAM, 40 li. to be paid out of my debts.
The residue of my goods not bequeathed I give and bequeath to my executors, to do therewith as shall seem to them most expedient for my soul; and I ordain the said WILLIAM, my son, and Thomas Cosyn, my clerk, executors of this my will.
And whereas my seal is unknown to many, I have procured the common seal of the Abbess and Convent of the House of the B.V.M. of the Cistercian order of Tarent in the said county of Dorset, to be affixed to these presents.
Proved 1st July, 1469, and administration committed to the executors.
Interesting about the "seal."
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This is an abstract of the will of Robert Kelwaye (of the Wards & Liveries), made by Noel Currer-Briggs.
ROBERT KELWAYE of Stebonheath (Stepney), Middlesex, Esquire [PCC 9 Darcy]
6 July 1580. Pr 6 Mch 1580/1 by exors.
Exors Daughter Anne Harrington andher husband, John Harrington, son and heir of Sir James Harrington, Kt.
Supervisors Sir Thomas Bromley, Lord Chancellor, Edmond Anderson, Sergeant at Law, John Crooke, Robert Freake of Shroton, Dorset [Note Also known as Iwerne Courtney), esquire. Witnesses Robert Dale, Grocer, Thomas Gawyn, John Thomas, vicar of Stebonheath.
To the poor of Stepney L200.
Legatees
To my cousin Francis Kelwaye, son and heir of Sir William Kelwaye, knight, deceased, L 1000, and to Lady Kelwaye, Sir William's widow, L 10.
To Elizabeth Crooke, wife of John Crooke of Chilton, Bucks, esquire, L10, and to Prudence Crooke, their daughter L 100 on marriage.
To Edward Knoyle of Sandford Orcas, Somerset, Esq, L 100.
To my nephew Thomas South of Swallowe Cliffe, Wiltshire, L 100 and he to find meat and lodging for his brother Peter South.
To John Crooke, my godson, son and heir of John Crooke L 10 and the same to my godson Edward Buttone, son of William Buttonne of Alton, Wiltshire, esq.
To all yoemen servants at my houses in Stebonheath, Shawlingforde, Berkshire [Shellingford or Shillingford, near Farringdon, Berks], The Temple in London, my house in Fleet Street, 40/ - each.
To my servant Thomas Richardes of Shallingford 40/ -
To William Auger of Shallingford, my servant 40/ -. Same to servant
Richard Milles of Shallingford.
To Sir Thomas Bromley, kt, Lord Chancellor of England, one of my best horses [Note Sir T.B. presided over the trial of Mary, Queen of Scots].
To my cousin Ambrose Kelwaye a horse.
To my nephew Thomas Gawen, son of William Gawen, Esq., dec'd, a silver salt cellar.
To my daughter Anne Harrington, my estate in the late monastery of Combe, Warwickshire [Note 4 m. east of Coventry] and my messuages etc in Combe Smite, Over Smite, Warwickshire [unidentified], Puddletown, Dorset, Shallingford, Berks, London, Nether Smith, Bunnleye [unidentified] and elsewhere except my parsonage of Uffington, Berks, which I give to my servant, Thomas Richardes and Margaret, his now wife, and to Robert Richardes, their son and my godson.
...............................................................
So, who is Sir Robert of "the Wards & Liveries" ??????
Sherrill
From: Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Feb 26, 2001
Subject: William Kayleway Will
Good evening Sherrill
Thank you for the latest information. I had some of it myself, but appreciate your copy, which confirms detail, while adding much more. I think your main source was the voluminous Hutchins History of Dorset, written about 1880(?), and which it took me some time, and money, to access through the LDS FHC. It is very detailed, and I marvel at the time and research involved, even if there are one or two questionable areas. He naturally had trouble with our spellings.
The Gawen information was great, and fits neatly with what we had before. I did goof in apportioning Alice to our Robert, rather than his uncle. Emma, similarly may have belonged to uncle Robert, who seems to have moved to Old Sarum in Wiltshire.
I see Henry K, or his heir John, left Whitparish about 1570-80, presumably for Bapton or Tisbury.
The Preston Plucknet family are interesting. Robert of Rockborne would have been born about 1610, but who exactly was he, and where was he living - surely not at the manor - the village? His family do not seem to offer any real clues. He could be a descendant of John, Edward or Ambrose? Grandson Thomas's five sons, born around 1670, however would be the forebears of later Wiltshire families.
There were definitely two Roberts, and I am coming to the opinion that the uncle had some position of importance, not sure just what, but all the legal reports were of our Robert.
The comment that he was a descendant of Sergeant Kelway is odd, and really suggests grandson, rather than son, but his father could not have been born later than 1460-70, and would be unlikely to be made sergeant at law in 1552, when probably over 80! Similarly the younger Robert would not fit the "Causes of Law" Reports, as he was only born around 12 Hen VII (1497). Could it really be 12 Hen VIII? The 1602 (date?) would make it worse.
I think also there was another Robert at the Inner Temple in the mid 1600s, and consider the three, in total, might have been too much for a 19th cent researcher(?)
Best wishes
Warwick
From: Bruce
Callaway
Sent: Feb 26, 2001
Subject: Robert/Martin/William et al
Sherrill,
Have you emptied the second 'shoe-box' yet? I certainly hope so because you have just added another 12 months to my research, although Warwick seems to be keeping pace with you! Brilliant stuff!
Appropos the direction in which the CFA is moving, I have emphasised to President Victoria Jennings that unlike many genealogical Societies, the CFA has broken the 'medieval barrier'. Colin D. Rogers, who first published his book in 1983, and has gone on to his third edition recently, states " In our quest to push back the knowledge of our genetic forbears, 1538 marks a much more significant watershed than 1837. There are relatively few genealogists who have broken through the 1538 barrier". He goes on to explain why, but this is what we are all familiar with.
Bruce
From: Sherrill
Williams
Sent: Feb 26, 2001
Subject: Plunknett, Sir John Tregonwell, Sir John Kelway
Once again, good morning all,
In the handwritten will abstract of Martin K. there is mention of the Plucknett family. I believe the scribe mis-interpreted "Davey Plucknett and 'his' children" as "Darey Plucknett and 'her' children." The following data was published in "Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries," Vol. 2. On p. 178 begins "The Parish Register of Milborne Port, Somerset."
On page 187 is given an abstract of the will of Wylyam Plucknett of Mylborn Porte, 12 Mar. 1540 [the will is said to be archived at Somerset Arch. Soc., Taunton]. The will mentions my sons, John, Rychard, Wylyam, Thomas and Davy; Jone, my dr.; Alys Halet. Wm. Exull, my wyffys sonne; Jone Hyde, my wyffys sonne (sic); John Clerke; my dr. Margaret; Katheryng my wyf. Overseers Wm. Meer of Shurburne, John Plucknett of Horsyngton. Witnesses, John Warman, Wm. Bysshope, Tho. Cammerlayne, John Glod, John Clark; governors of the children Ryc. Frye and John Clyd.
The parish register gives the following information
William Plucknet mar. Johan Kelway at Pus (Purse) Candle, 12 Sept 1559
David Plucknet mar. Cecilia Kelway, 29 Nov. 1562.
Julian Kelway buried 10 May 1540 (is this male or female?)
John Kelway buried 27 May 1642.
David Plucknett (m. Cecilia Kelway) was baptized 30 March 1540. Their children are not given in this parish register, so evidently they were residing elsewhere.
William Plucknett (of the will) was buried 1 April 1541.
These are the children of William Plucknett & Johan Kelway
William Plucknett - bapt. 27; bur. 30 Jan 1560
John Plucknett * - bapt. 8 Feb 1561
Elizabeth Plucknett - bapt. 12 Apl 1563
Ellin Plucknett - bapt. 20 Sept 1565
Marie Plucknett - bapt. 18 Jan 1568
Margaret Plucknett - bapt. 16 Apl 1570
William Plucknett - bapt. 5 Oct 1572
Samuel Plucknett - bapt. 26 March 1575
Robert Plucknett* - bapt. 22 Feb 1578.
*John Plucknett mar. Anne Gollop at Netherburie, 4 Feb 1587/8. [Their children's baptisms are given.]
*Robert Plucknett's wife was Elizabeth (apparently not married in this parish).
Baptisms of their children are given.
Elizabeth, wife of Robert Plucknett, was buried 11 Oct 1667.
Robert Plucknett, "an antient man," aged 88, was buried 3 Apl. 1670.
Johan Plucknett, widow, was buried 30 March 1609. [Johan Kelway]
These are our "cousins," but I am giving this for "date perspective," primarily.
ANOTHER SUBJECT
In "The Chronicles" (latest edition), about page 31 is mention of Sir John Tregonwell (d.1564) and that his arms are quartered with those of Sir John Kelway of Hants. Here is the reason
Sir John Tregonwell married (1) Elizabeth Bruce, and had children
1. Thomas Tregonwell (d. bef. 1564)
2. Anne Tregonwell - md. Sir Richard Rede
3. Jane Tregonwell - md. Robert Thornhull, esq.
Sir John Tregonwell married (2) Elizabeth, widow of Robert Martin (and d/o Sir John Kellaway of Rockborne). They were married at Puddletown Church, 25 June 1549.
They had no children..........BUT
Anne Martin, eldest d/o Robert Martin & wife, Elizabeth Kellaway (d/o Sir John), married Thomas Tregonwell (s/o Sir John by his 1st wife, Elizabeth Bruce). Among their children was John Tregonwell who married Anne Sommaster, d/o William Sommaster of Somborne, Hants.
Anne Martin Tregonwell married (2) Sir Oliver Wallop.
This family lived at Milton Abbey. "Dame Elizabeth Kayleway Martin Tregonwell was accused of being a witch." [From "Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries," (will give you exact ref. when it surfaces again)]
I have never figured out how to be neat.....papers shuffled and scattered everywhere!
Sherrill
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Walter Berrington, below, must be the brother-in-law of Robert Keylway (of Rockborne) who married a Berington.
Somerset Will Abstracts, 1st Series, Brown, Rev. Frederick (1887)
p. 30. WALTER BERRINGTON, of Frome Selwood, Somerset, gent. Will dated 11 Mar 1600; proved 20 Nov 1600. [67 Wallop.]
-------My brothers Babham & Robert Kellway (1) of Lillington, Dorset, the younger, Exors.
-------My wife, Johan.
(1) For pedigree, see "Genealogist," N.S. iii. No. 10, p. 94. (April 1886)
Note that Walter Berrington refers to his "brother" Robert Kellway of Lillington, Dorset as "the younger." Does anyone know anything about "Babham" Kellway?
One more note about the Parish Register of Milborne Port, Somerset [S&DN&Q, V. 2]
"The plague, or some infectious disease known by that name, is noted on two occasions as having made its appearance at Milborne Port. Thus, on page 1 we read
'I find that in ye year 1579 there dyed sev'l persons of this parish in ye plague.' [Burials of 9 persons are given, including]
Clement Callow ye son of Richd. was buryd 27 August [1579]"
From:
Sherrill Williams
Sent: Feb 27, 2001
Subject: Dorset Tudor Subsidies
Warwick requested this.
"Dorset Tudor Subsidies Granted in 1523, 1543, 1593;" edited and published by T. L. Sloate, Lower Court, Almondsbury, Bristol {C} T. L.Sloate 1982.
The tax was assessed on"
L = Land owned
W = Wages earned
G = Goods owned
The tax was paid in shillings and pence. [The following info. is from xerox pages showing the K/C name]:
BLANDFORD DIVISION:
Tarrant Hinton tithing - 1594
Robert Kellaway, gent. G 6
[There were no K/C on the 1525 list, or the 1545 "Anticipation return"]
DORCHESTER DIVISION:
Charminster and Forston tithing - 1594
Ralph Kellawaie G 3
[There were no K/C on the 1545 "Charmyster" list, but: William Clark G 1;
Nicholas Clark G 1]
PUDDLETOWN HUNDRED:
Tolpuddle - 1525
James Purchas* G 10
(the * = "Norman" - this appears by a number of names throughout the lists)
William Gyfford W 1
[No K/C on this list]
Athelhampton - 1525
Christopher Martyn, Esq. G 120
Thomas Delamere* G nil
Athelhampton - 1545 (Anticipation return only)
Robert Martyn Esq. L 60 (the only person listed)
Athelhampton - 1594
Nicholas Martyn Esq. L 20
Milborne St Andrew - 1525
Edward Kaylwey G 20
Richard Kaylwey W 1
Milborne - 1545
Edward Kaylwaye G 15
John Kaylwaye G 10
Richard Kaylwaye G 1
John Kaylwaye jun G 1
THE LIBERTY OF DEWLISH:
The Manor of Develysche - 1525
Robert Kayle G 14
Edward Kaylwey G 3
Devylische - 1545
John Callowe G 2
Jane Kaylle wid G 5
Thomas Kaylle G 5
LIBERTY OF WYKE REGIS - ELWELL - and PORTLAND:
Wyke Regis - The Libertee of Weke - 1525
Nicholas Kaylwey W 1
Wik Regis - 1545
Nicholas Calawaye G 2
John Kalawaye G 1
CRANBORNE HUNDRED:
The Manor of Cramborne (subheading Burgus de Cramborne) - 1525
William Cayleway G 8
Bagber - 1545
William Kelway G 2
GILLINGHAM LIBERTY:
[Main roll 104/154 - no tithing headings given) - 1545
John Kelway G 1
BROWNSHALL HUNDRED:
Thornhill tithing in Stalbridge - 1525 [No K/C]
Thornhull - 1543, 1544, 1545
William Kaylwey G 5 G 5 G 5 (he was listed all 3
years)
BUCKLAND NEWTON HUNDRED:
Newton - 1543 and 1544
John Calowe G 1 (he was on 1543 list; not on 1544
Marnhull - 1525
William Clerke G 10
John Kaynell G 7
William Kaynell G 6 2/3
George Clerke G 10
Marnhull - 1543 and 1544
William Kaylwey G 9 G 7
George Kaylwey G 7 G 7
Nicholas Kaylwey G 6 G 4
Agnes Kaynell wid G 5 G 4
Thomas Kaynell G 3 G 2
Nicholas Kaylwey G 1 G 2
Thomas Kaylewey G 1 --------
Marnehull - 1598
Alice Keilwaye* L 1
William Keylwey G 4
John Keilwaye G 3
Redlane tithing in Todber - 1524
Nicholas Kaynell G 40
Redlane - 1525
John Kaynell W 1
John Kaynell jun W 1
Nicholas Kaynell G 40
Redlane - 1543 and 1544
Nicholas Kaylwey G 8 (1543)
Nicholas Kaynell G 9 (1544)
REDLANE HUNDRED:
East Stour tithing (Stour Estover in - 1525)
Thomas Kaywl(ell?) G 6
SHERBORNE HUNDRED:
Bradford Abbas tithing - 1524
(No K/C listed, but - Thomas Frampton G 8)
Also 1525 is "negative" for K/C.
Bradford - 1543, 1544, and 1545
Nicholas Callaware G 4 G 4 G 4
John Callaware G 3 G 3 G 3
Joan Calware ------- G 1 G 1
SHERBORNE DIVISION:
Lillington tithing - 1524 (Negative for K/C) - but
John Plokenott, John Master, Robert Master, Philip Master, Edith Master,
wid, William Master, Richard Master [was it not the will of Martin K. that mentions some land purchased from a "Masters" ?? None of the Masters were shown taxed for land.]
Lillington - 1525 (Negative for K/C)
Lillington - 1543 (mutilated and not used)
Lillington - 1544 and 1545
Robert Kaylwey L 30 L 30
[John Plucknott and several Master families still here - no land]
Lillington - 1598
Henry Keylway ar L 8 (the "ar" is not explained)
Abbots Fee tithing in Sherborne
Feod Abbatis - 1524 (the 1525 roll was illegible and not used)
Robert Kellett W 1
Abbots Fee - 1544 and 1545 (1543 roll torn & illegible)
Robert Calowe G 1 G 1
Eastbury tithing in Sherborne
Eastbery - 1524
Edith Kaylewey G 6 (she is also on "Estbery" 1525)
Estbury - 1543, 1544, 1545 - (Negative for K/C)
Eastbury - 1598 (Negative for K/C)
Houndstreet tithing in Sherborne
Hounstret - 1544 & Hounstrett - 1545
William Calowe G 7 G 7
(he was listed as William Calworth in 1545)
Milton Abbas Tithing
Mylton - 1525
John Kayleway G 4
Mylton - 1598 (Negative for K/C)
YETMINSTER HUNDRED:
Clifton Maybank tithing
Clefton - 1524
Peter Kaylway W 1
Clyfton - 1525
Peter Kaylway W 1
John Horsey Ar L 102
Clyfton - 1543 & 1544
Sir John Horsey Kt L 266 2/3 (the only person listed)
Clifton - 1598
Sir Ralph Horsy Kt L 60 (the only person listed)
TOTCOMBE HUNDRED:
Godmanstone tithing
Godmaston - 1598
Thomas Kelwey* L 1
Hawkchurch tithing
Hawkechurche - 1543 & 1544
Robert Clarke G 1 G 5
William Clarke ____ G 1
THE ANTICIPATION RETURN OF 1523 (called for advance payment of the 1524 subsidy from all those who were assessed at L 40 or more in lands or goods.)
The Dorchester Division is missing.
FRAMPTON Liberty:
Thomas Clerke 40
CULLIFORD TREE Hundred
John Gerard 100
PUDDLETOWN Hundred
Christopher Martyn 120
TOLLERFORD Hundred
Thomas Sydenham 40
Giles Strangwayes 300
BUCKLAND NEWTON Hundred
Nicholas Kaynell* 50
(* otherwise listed as Caylwey)
[There were none listed as Kellaway or Callaway var. on this 1523 Anticipation
Return....SUW]
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[from Pat Schnurr's notes]:
"Dorset Tudor Muster Rolls," ed. by T. L. Sloate, Bristol
Gyles Kayleway (Gent.) of Bowode - would provide 1 harness with a bow; 1 sheff of arrows (1542)
Rob Kylwaye of Gyllyngham - provide 2 bills (1542)
Nic Calaway of Weymouth Burgess - listed as an alternate (1542)
Thomas Keyell of Midelton - provide horse harness, sallet pr, splint
Martin Keyleweye of Lillington, Knighton in Beer Hackett - Pikeman (1569)
Peter Calwaye - provide harness (1530)
Ric Cayleway of St. Andrew, Piddletown Hundred - provide 1 bill (1542)
Edward Caylewey of Piddletown Hundred - provide harness for an archer; sword & dagger (1542)
John Calwaye of Wyke - provide bow and 6 arrows (1542)
Henry Calawey of Weymouth - an alternate (1542)
[Question: Is the Peter Calwaye listed above, and the Peter listed at Clifton Maybank on the Tudor Subsidies, the same Peter mentioned on some of the "pedigrees" and "visitations" - showing no information?]
I hope this is helpful to all in building the K/C family tree.
Sherrill
From:
Warwick Kellaway
Sent: Mar 1, 2001
Subject: Dorset Tudor Subsidies
Sherrill
My head is spinning - a little more than usual. Your new information is swamping my little brain. I am too used to finding small surprise packages.
It is great.
Some responses:
I had no idea there were so many members of the Klan around Stalbridge/Marnhull in the early 1500s, as evidenced by those Tudor Subsidies. (Makes me think of rabbits). They are not listed there by 1594, but I presume the records have gone or were not available (this is not a criticism, but par for the course - the Heraldic Pedigrees were also rather selective). You had previously mentioned a plague in 1579, but I don't think it would have wiped out too many. Those things were a recurring means of population control for a long time, until 1665 in London at least, I think. The best known was the Black Death of 1348, but others were bad also (you know the Nursery Rhyme "Ring a Ring a Rosies"?).
Not many of our Klan appear to have held land - only Nicholas at Buckland Newton, Thomas Clerke(!) at Frampton, in 1523, and Robert who had Lillington in 1543. It is clear that Henry had reduced Lillington's size/value considerably by 1598. Alice, who may have been an unrecorded unmarried granddaughter of William of Stalbridge, had a very small property at Marnhull. She appears to have claimed Norman descent (why?). A Robert had considerable "goods" at Dewlish in 1523, while he was in Gillingham in 1542, Our mysterious third Robert (gent.) appears again at Blandford in1594.
Probably my greatest interest here, Nicholas, also had extensive "goods" at Todber, near Marnhull and Stalbridge, and was "working" at seaport Wyke Regis in the south. He appears to have been a Burgess in adjacent Weymouth in 1542. At this time he still had "goods" at Wyke Regis, but the value of his goods at Marnhull reduced slightly from 1543-4, while another Nicholas, presumably his son, increased his.
I presume these Nicholases were the father and grandfather of the Nicholas of the Forston/Charminster Nicholas, whose Will we have in 1594. In 1594 his heir Ralph I see is listed as having "goods" in Forston/Charminster.
The picture now moves back a little for this family but, as the first Nicholas must have been born about 1480, he appears now to be perhaps an unrecorded younger brother of "uncle" Robert and William of Stalbridge. He did seem to have done well in the wool/cloth business.
Those Clark/Clerkes are a real pain. I still have no idea where they came from, but Nicholas Clark of 1545 is probably also the "first" of the Nicholas Ks. Similarly Thomas Clerke in Frampton in 1523, may have passed through Robert and William Clarke in 1543 in Hawkechurch (location?), to Thomas Kelway (also descended from the Normans?) in in Godmanston in 1598.
George and William Clerke, and William K were also in Marnhull in 1523, while only George and William K were there in 1543, William K was there in 1598. It looks to me as though these Clarkes were definitely aliases, and the Godmanston and Charminster families of the next century were cousins, although there is still a nagging concern that they "stole" the name in some way.
You will be most interested in Peter, who appears at Clifton, Yetminster, in 1523 and 1530. My supposition is that he could have been born about 1470-80, and therefore may have been a son of Peter, a younger son of William of Sherborne's second family. There is no indication of any family extension in the Subsidies, however the Yetminster/Ryme Intrinsica locality, produced a number of families in the 16 -1700s. No more Peters I am aware of.
Most of these Dorset listings are in the northeast, near Stalbridge, with one or two further south. William at Cranborne in 1523 and Bagber in 1545, and Robert (gent) at Tarrant Hinton, Blandford, in 1594, are close to Rockborne.
It may be of note that, by 1594, family listings were only at:
Blandford Robert (gent)
Marnhull William
Alice
Lillington Henry
Charminster/
Forston Ralph
Godmanston Thomas
These are where we find most of the family in the next century. So where were the others?
Other comments:
No knowledge of any Babhams - K/C brother-in-law? Julian usually male, but beware of Johan, which was commonly female, unlike today. Francis could be either.
Don't worry about being neat - this place is a disaster - ask my wife!
Best wishes
Warwick
From: Bruce
Callaway
Sent: Mar 3, 2001
Subject: Rockbourne Manor
My dear Sherrill,
Not only is Warwick's brain spinning but also mine. Would you please hurry up and empty the final shoe-boxes, and get back to the U.K. for more vacuum cleaning. You are without equal in doing this.
Referring back to Rockbourne Manor (which I consider to be most important in the division o